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AICN COMICS REVIEWS ALL STAR SUPERMAN! HELLBLAZER! X-MEN! INDIE JONES AND MORE!

First by ECUPirate71	Sep 24th, 2008 07:28:56 AM

and 2nd? by ECUPirate71	Sep 24th, 2008 07:31:05 AM
No love from anyone else for the comics?
third? by Whitemouse	Sep 24th, 2008 07:33:27 AM

comic love by Whitemouse	Sep 24th, 2008 07:35:14 AM
I think I'm burned out on comic love for the moment, I'm also burned out on films...tv...books...culturall y I'm becoming more and more jaded...
All Star Superman! by newc0253	Sep 24th, 2008 07:38:48 AM
#12 was brilliant. But that final shot had better be a set-up for Morrison & Quitely to do #13 and beyond, otherwise it's a cruel ending for fans.
Guardians of the Galaxy by superfleish76	Sep 24th, 2008 07:41:27 AM
Wow, double shot of love, huh? The book really is a lot of fun and has some great characters. Hopefully DnA stay on the book for a good, long run.
Stoman is back on X-Factor? by Gatsbys West Egg Omlet	Sep 24th, 2008 07:55:20 AM
Thats all you had to say. Loved his X-Factor stuff in the 90s. I'm stoked.
Stoman = Stroman by Gatsbys West Egg Omlet	Sep 24th, 2008 07:55:59 AM
whatever.
2uperman! by ironic_name	Sep 24th, 2008 07:56:48 AM
final ish was not perfect - but was great.
"another issue that brought this callous stalwart reviewer to te by Trazadone	Sep 24th, 2008 08:20:51 AM
Jesus, dude, do you ever read actual literature? I have thousands of comic books but I can (proudly) honestly say I've never shed a tear reading any of them.
All Star Superman Ending... by GoodTimeBobby	Sep 24th, 2008 08:29:34 AM
I couldnt wait for this last issue of AS Superman- I thought i had figured out the ending- in interviews Morrison always talked about how Lex Luthor would be the greatest thinker and force of good in the world if not for superman- that issue where clark goes to interview lex in prison is a great window into his thought process. well, remember superman began creating that other earth in that cube-shaped mini-universe? there were a couple quick panels showing the earth and the people on it evolving thousands of years in the course of a day? the last panel we saw was someone taking a pencil and drawing the superman shield saying "this is going to change everything". i presumed this to mean that on this pocket-earth, superman is fictional- so imagine in this last battle with luthor, superman zaps luthor(with that raygun he's poised behind the wall holding on the cover) into this pocket earth where he doesn't exist,where presumably that 24hour super power serum lex took on our earth would last forever- essentially making lex the superman of this pocket earth- i think they called it Earth Q. But obviously we didnt get that- and thats cool- the ending was ok- but a lot of unresolved subplots. Seems like Morrison was trying to make this series line up with his DC One Million stuff, where the real superman still lived inside the sun in the far, far future.
What about Aarden's Flash Gordon? by kingjovis	Sep 24th, 2008 08:35:23 AM
No coverage on one of the hottest books this week? Deneen's writing is sharp and his reimmagining exactly what this clasic hero needed! Search it out...you won't be dissapointed!
monogamous slut? by Laserhead	Sep 24th, 2008 08:48:27 AM
Explain, please.
I love Walking Dead by Joenathan	Sep 24th, 2008 09:13:02 AM
I don't think it strayed in the Prison? I've heard others say this, but I disagree. Sure it was slower and much talkier, but the boredom of the seige was the important part and it made the eventual blow out seem even worse.
That Jesus comic is fucking brilliant! by Dragon Man	Sep 24th, 2008 09:22:57 AM
Funny shit there, and not just what comes out of the Son of God either.
Any word on an AllStar Superman Trade? by Lolthien	Sep 24th, 2008 09:26:49 AM
I missed the first several issues, and didn't want to pick it up halfway through.
Gatsbys West... About Stroman by ArcherNX01	Sep 24th, 2008 09:28:08 AM
The whole run of Peter David/Stroman run in the early 90's was MY baby at the time and I was disgusted by Stroman's art in this issue. Just really, really disheartening.
Monogomous Slut by optimous_douche	Sep 24th, 2008 09:31:05 AM
She's only banging Summers at the moment, but still has that come hither look at all times.
Do I Read Real Literature? by optimous_douche	Sep 24th, 2008 09:31:33 AM
no....
Oh by Laserhead	Sep 24th, 2008 09:43:45 AM
Just sounds like a chick that likes to fuck. I was wondering if it was one of those 'Jumbo Shrimp' things.
THE WALKING DEAD #52 ... a little light in the amount of pages? by riskebiz	Sep 24th, 2008 10:44:02 AM
Great issue ... but by the time I got to middle of the book it was a 3 splash pages from the end of it. It was over before I started getting into it. Again ... I LOVE THIS SERIES ... but not having what felt like a full story with 22-24 pages was a letdown. This had .. what? 14?!
The Choice by Itblowstherobot	Sep 24th, 2008 10:56:45 AM
Judd Winnick is a terrible writer, he should be allowed near no book of any consequence (ever).
Optimous Douche = DC Plant by Smerdyakov	Sep 24th, 2008 10:57:25 AM
He just loves everything they do.
Hey, speaking of comics by rev_skarekroe	Sep 24th, 2008 11:33:31 AM
Has anyone else noticed that a couple of the jokes from the first Harold & Kumar movie parallel very similar jokes in Jay Pinkerton's Spider-Man comics? Anyone know which came first?
No, by Joenathan	Sep 24th, 2008 12:16:38 PM
No one noticed that.
Don't Like EVERYTHING DC Does Smerd by optimous_douche	Sep 24th, 2008 12:24:15 PM
I will admit I am more enamored with DC than Marvel at the moment, but that pendulum has swung back and forth many times in my life. Early 90's I wasn't reading any DC titles. And there's plenty of DC stuff right now I can safely leave on the shelf without shedding any tears like Titans, Green Arrow, Black Canary, Superman main title. I was fully ready to rip apart that DC Universe Decisions if I wasn't beat to the dib by my fellow @$$hole. Sorry, just wanted to set the record straight, I'm not getting comps, I'm not a plant, I just generally don't like spending my money on something I know that I'll hate.
I'm with you on DC right now, OD by Laserhead	Sep 24th, 2008 12:55:59 PM
The pendulum has rarely swung on DC's side in my own history, but the last few years, anything from Marvel that doesn't say "written by Ed Brubaker" has been a rotten experience. As fucked as many of DC's titles are, I'm just liking their characters better, and the things they're doing with GL, Batman, Superman, and now the Flash strike all the right notes. Also, great answer to the literature question. Good for you.
I'll always prefer marvel's Universe by lex romero	Sep 24th, 2008 01:15:12 PM
There's just something about the world they've createdf that feels more vibrant and real. I believe all these characters exist together. Whereas with DC i always have that feeling that the characters should really be in seperate worlds as they don't seem to gel that well but DC decided to follow marvel's route nad have them all in the same U.
DC by Bluejack	Sep 24th, 2008 01:24:49 PM
Too much time traveling/dimention hopping alternate reality crap in DC to follow. I find that a huge turn off for the mainstream DC titles. I chopped Robin, Outsiders, Nightwing, Teen Titans etc etc from my list. I'm finding Bru's titles in Marvel, Nova and Marvel's space line, and Green Lantern (+corps) much better reads. I did like All-Star Superman, though.
I agree with lex romero. by fiester	Sep 24th, 2008 01:48:57 PM
Marvel is far more cohesive overall. DC has the misfortune of characters like Shazam, who, with his goofy name, origin, and costume, seems far too silly to ever be taken seriously. Ditto for Wonder Woman. Even Supes is more than a little anachronistic. At least Marvel had the good sense to make being an anachronism an integral part of the Captain America character.
GoodTimeBobby by Johnny Smith	Sep 24th, 2008 01:49:32 PM
Earth Q was supposed to be "the real world".
Smerdyakov = Internet Douche by Psynapse	Sep 24th, 2008 01:49:44 PM
He just loves to be a flaming troll.
Marvel by steverodgers	Sep 24th, 2008 01:49:55 PM
Has Rocket Raccoon. He is a talking space raccoon that sometimes wears a jet-pack. Marvel wins.
Stroman by xsi kal	Sep 24th, 2008 01:52:01 PM
I like Stroman back in the 90s, but his art here is almost unintelligible. I'm not a fan of Land's photoreferencing in Uncanny, but at least there, people look like people. Oh, and the pendulum has swung fully back to Marvel for me. There are only a handful of DC comics I am still reading, at this point, where I'm enjoying many of the X-titles, She-Hulk, Captain America, Daredevil, and even Ms. Marvel in the Marvel U.
Only one question really remains... by loodabagel	Sep 24th, 2008 02:02:10 PM
All-Star Superman? Best Superman comic ever?
Yes, yes it is. by Psynapse	Sep 24th, 2008 02:15:18 PM
That is all.
Up till now I've pretty much ignore All Star Superman by Snookeroo	Sep 24th, 2008 02:22:01 PM
but OD has me intrigued. I wonder if DC has any plan to publish the series under one cover for those who missed out? Also, I think Green Lantern Corps is some of the best product DC has offered in a long time.
How can you have ignored AS Superman? by Joenathan	Sep 24th, 2008 03:55:38 PM
It's not only the best Superman ever done, but it may be the best thing Morrison has ever done as well and that includes the Invisibles.
Smith... by GoodTimeBobby	Sep 24th, 2008 05:11:42 PM
..yeah, i must admit, i didnt really understand the significance of Earth Q-I thought introducing it would have some type of "pay-off" later on in the series...oh well.
I'm certain there will be an ASS TPB. by rev_skarekroe	Sep 24th, 2008 05:22:49 PM
Hee hee, that sounds dirty! Anyhoo, yeah, it's good. Buy it.
Earth Q by optimous_douche	Sep 24th, 2008 06:03:52 PM
I think the Earth Q diversion was to show just how fucking smart his trip through the sun made him. The "enhancement" from the sun was a real throw away line, but it was the foundation of the whole damn series. Because the series was delivered quarterly it really was easy to forget earlier happenings. I know I did. This series made him a true God and you know for a limited that's fine. Try that shit again in regular continuity though, sionara.
Hellblazer by Gelatinousman	Sep 24th, 2008 07:23:03 PM
Is indeed the best long run comic for mature readers out there.
Earth Q... by loodabagel	Sep 24th, 2008 07:39:40 PM
Showed (maybe to his dismay) that the world could not live without a Superman. When he creates a universe to find out what life would be like without a Superman, some 1930's Jewish punks create their own Superman. So, Morrison is essentially Superman is the reason for our existence. He's such a huge massive part of culture, things would have turned out differently if there was no Superman, and none of us would probably exist. I like to think so, anyway.
eh... by loodabagel	Sep 24th, 2008 07:41:18 PM
Morrison essentially says Superman is the reason for our existence. My bad.
Oh my god! by loodabagel	Sep 24th, 2008 08:49:05 PM
Batman 7-Chris Nolan teams up with Tim Burton. Fuck yeah.
yeah, All Star Superman was great! by the milf lover	Sep 24th, 2008 11:01:42 PM
but I just read All Star Batman and Robin #10, and dear god it's getting worse with every new issue. There is about 8 pages of story in there, with TWO two-page splashes, and nothing goes on. Frank Miller is clearly writing this out of his ass as it is shit storytelling. The first story arc could have easily been told in about four issues instead of seven, and the last 3 issues could have been crammed down to less than 30 pages. Yet I'm a moron because I keep buying it... damn you Jim Lee!
Stop giving indulging Frank Miller! by Star Hump	Sep 24th, 2008 11:30:07 PM
I gave up All Star Batman with #2. Miller has nothing but contempt for superheroes, Batman especially. As for All Star Superman, 3 years is absolutely inexcusable, no matter how good the book is. These primadonnas need to start acting like professionals.
Superman, Superman, Super-Duper Man.. by loodabagel	Sep 25th, 2008 02:46:39 AM
I've read some other Superman comics since All Star Superman #1, and they were all pretty boring. Not the most compelling bits of storytelling. They may have all been good Superman stories, but I just don't like Superman as a character. I don't even like Superman yet this was still the best comic book EVER FUCKING CONCIEVED. If Superman gang banged Lois, Lex, and Jimmy in the last issue and then actually shit in my face using magic, it would still be that good. Hmm, ya know, this whole discussion has just devolved into how much it's possible to praise All Star Superman. New topic.
Marvel by Laserhead	Sep 25th, 2008 06:52:57 AM
For me, Marvel has never really recovered from their 90s disasters. From Clone Saga to Heroes Reborn and up through House of M and Civil War, two of the most boring and stupid events ever, their characters have never gotten back on track with any level of consistency, and now the company basically leap frogs from event to event, altering the fundamentals of their characters as befits the big story. Spider-Man? Iron Man? Fantastic Four? None of this shit is enjoyable, and hasn't been for a long, long time.
ASBAR by Laserhead	Sep 25th, 2008 06:57:36 AM
Having read through the hardcover collection, I can now safely say that All-Star Batman and Robin is the worst comic book ever produced. I don't care what anybody says about Miller's potential master plan, or where the story "might" be going. It doesn't matter. The abyssmal dialogue, the ridiculous characterizations, the total lack of movement in the plot (that issue that introduced Black Canary; we spend over half the issue with her bartending while wearing fishnets, and then beating the shit out of everybody in the bar because they dared to hit on her, all narrated by possibly the worst, most banal dialogue ever in a mainstream comic. Yes, I mean that. Half an issue where nothing happens.) Frank Miller is a washed-up, coked-out hack, and I really hope The Spirit is a bad as it looks so that people will stop pretending this guy is some kind of genius.
All Star Superman. by DuncanHines	Sep 25th, 2008 07:10:48 AM
I got to read it tonight. I've been a bi-weekly buyer lately, what with cutting titles and all. And this week was the week. And I almost cried. No joke. Big wimp. This series was so good. I'm gonna have to re-read the whole thing this weekend. I need the Absolute Edition as soon as frickin' possible, too. That is more necessary than ANY other Absolute edition (except New Frontier. That shit is the other ONE.) Thanks to Morrison, Quitely, and Grant (let's not forget Jamie Grant, redefining just how nice a color comic can look..) for what just may be the greatest Superman story EVER.
Say what you will about ASBAR Laserhead... by MrSensitive	Sep 25th, 2008 08:29:28 AM
...the line "I'm the goddamn Batman" was pretty damn funny. At this stage of the game, Miller's earned the right to write characters the way he wants to, and as much as it pains people, his contributions as a whole in the industry allow him to be as indulgent as Claremont, or Ellis, or any big name writer you like.
I'll Take Miller by optimous_douche	Sep 25th, 2008 08:36:30 AM
Any day of the week these days over Claremont. Batman has always been Batcock in Miller's mind. There are no surprises here. While slightly off track at least people are talking about it. Claremont though has just completely lst it. I keep buying the first issues of new books he joins on, never returning for issues 2.
Laserhead by Bluejack	Sep 25th, 2008 09:03:13 AM
I just completely disagree about Marvel characterizations. The work on Captain America, Iron Fist and Nova have gone in new directions and had respect for the past. In Captain America, which has incorporated but not been dominated by Marvel's events, you see reverence for previous creators and the core concepts of Cap while still giving us something new. Same with Iron Fist. DCs events are so pervasive and cosmic that it can be hard to identify with the characters at all. When I read DC, I feel like the whole Universe can be wiped out in a moment (also my problem with House of M). How many multiverse shattering crises can there be. It's just tired. I had trouble with Civil War that turned Stark into a Nazi and Cap into a violent bitch, but eventually the core characters have reacted to those events and moved back towards their core characters with appropriate changes that add depth to the character. Green Lantern has lost some steam and that was the only book that came close to Cap, DD, Iron Fist, or Nova. Teen Titans, JLA and Titans are UNREADABLE! You have to buy six thousand Batman titles to know what is going on. Just not feeling DC at all.
Miller by Bluejack	Sep 25th, 2008 09:08:37 AM
He should have stopped after the Dark Knight Returns, 300 and Ronin. Maybe some Sin City. His work is tired and all he can write is ugliness. Hey look at me! I can make Batman a punk! I can make Batgirl a whore! Enough all ready Miller. Shows some friggin range would you? ASS shows you how to do it brother! Morrison writes happy bright tales that still have depth. He writes depressing end of the world shit. That guy has range.
Bluejack by MrSensitive	Sep 25th, 2008 09:43:16 AM
Take a step back people, something that's not your personal cup of tea doesn't mean it's completely without merit. Garth Ennis wrote about ugliness in "Punisher" and "Preacher", does that mean he's tired and has no range?
Laserhead by Joenathan	Sep 25th, 2008 09:43:22 AM
You are completely wrong about Marvel. You are so wrong, you must be a bizzarro. From now on, type like this: "Me am hate Marvel" Okay?
Although, by Joenathan	Sep 25th, 2008 09:44:35 AM
you are right about Frank Miller, so... continue on with that, Bizzaro Laserhead
"I can make Batgirl a whore!" by Joenathan	Sep 25th, 2008 09:47:05 AM
God, don't I wish! Naughty, naughty batgirl whore...
I did read the first few issues of All Star Batman by Snookeroo	Sep 25th, 2008 10:00:27 AM
And what respect I had left for Frank Miller went down the toilet. Talk about a bunch of unadulterated garbage. Miller truly is just riding on momentum. When I saw the Spirit tagline "my city screams" it was cause for much eye rolling.
Frank Miller... by loodabagel	Sep 25th, 2008 10:44:33 AM
Is the most famous "artist" per se, of the last 30 years. Famous 20th century artists-Pablo Picasso, Salvador Dali, Jackson Pollack, Andy Warhol and Frank Miller. He should abandon writing comics and focus on drawing pictures and selling them for a million dollars.
Miller Redux by Bluejack	Sep 25th, 2008 11:10:13 AM
I didn't say it was without merit. It's why Al Pachino is laim these days. Eventually an artist becomes a carichature. It's not my cup of tea AND it is tired. Millar and Bendis are in the process of becomming tired. Miller has shown he can do seedy and ugly, he can do visceral. His visual style is becomming limited and if you don't think "The Spirit" looks like a Sin City clone then you are in denial.
Nah, I think it is without merit by Laserhead	Sep 25th, 2008 11:32:46 AM
I don't care if this syncs of to "Miller's version" of Batman or not. None of my complaints have anything to do with him raping the character of Batman or anything. My complaint is that as a story, this is really the worst piece of shit I've ever seen. It's totally senseless, without plot, and with the flat-out most retarded dialogue ever. Sub-sub-Mickey Spillaine crap that was cliched in the 50s. Personally, I think the guy has sucked since everything after the first Sin City arc in DHP, but I've always been willing to give his stuff a chance. This shit is abominable.
Marvel/DC by Laserhead	Sep 25th, 2008 11:37:50 AM
I don't hate Marvel. And you could make a lot of complaints about DC, but I guess their errors are less egregious to me than what's happened to Iron Man, Spider-Man, Reed Richards, Bendis-vengers, et al. I love Captain America and Nova. Haven't seen Iron Fist since Bru left, but I'll check out the next trade. Civil War and House of M were two of the stupidest events I'd ever read. Apart from the mercenary characterization, Civil War built up to what amounted to a slap fight in the street. I thought it couldn't get any worse, really, then One More Day came. I've read the two Brand New Day hardcovers, to give it a chance, and I know there seems to be some bandwagon saying these are great spidey stories, but I don't think they are. Formulaic rehashes of seventies and eighties storytelling doesn't do much for me, apart from all the illogic of the retcon.
Bob Shrek's intro to the ASBAR hardcover by Laserhead	Sep 25th, 2008 11:39:56 AM
Read that. It keeps invoking the word 'trust' and basically says, "Yes. On the surface this story appears to be a piece of shit, but you have to Trust that a guy like Frank Miller knows what he's doing." It's an APOLOGETIC INTRODUCTION. Kind of says it all.
Marvel by Joenathan	Sep 25th, 2008 12:06:19 PM
Sooooo, what you're saying is, you preferred the days of X domination while Luke Cage and Iron Fist and Daredevil barely existed and the Avengers/Cap/Ironman/FF end of the Marvel universe slogged through abyssmal, forgettable stories which neither built on the old or reflect on the new? You would return to the days of Heroes Reborn? Of Onslaught? Of Force Works? Maybe you do, and while I find that disappointing and pray to every God possible that it never happens, lets just chalk that up to a difference in personal taste and let it be. Wait... one last teaste... I prefer good stories, while you would rather they sucked.... kidding, kidding Anyway, story telling preferences aside, you have to agree that the Marvel Universe has never been this close, not in years. This era feels like one universe and thats a good thing, right? Now, a fun game: Please illustrate what you mean by "mercanary characterization" Who exactly do you believe acted out of character? when and why? begin...
Marvel Characterizations. by Bluejack	Sep 25th, 2008 12:24:12 PM
I think Stark was a bit out of character and Reed was as well. I'm not a huge Spidey fan, and just reading the stupidity of the Mephisto plot has kept me away. I was not too thrilled with Civil War in execution, but I do think the original concept was interesting, and has led to refreshing relationships between the heroes that had for a while been taken as rote. The scenes between Thor and Iron Man have been fantastic. Thor taps Tony's armor in one ish and makes a small chip to warn Stark not to fuck with the Thunder God. A great scene. New exploration of IM and Caps relationship and seeing the guilt playing out in C.A. and I.M. titles was great. BTW Laser, totally with you on the apex of Miller's career.
Stark and Reed by Joenathan	Sep 25th, 2008 01:27:40 PM
Reed has always been driven by the thought: "Is it possible?" That is why he built the prisons, it was totally in character for his "too busy thinking about IF he can do it, to bother thinking about SHOULD he do it." This is EXACTLY the line of thought which led to Reed stealing a space ship and accidently turning he and his friends in the Fantastic Four. He is a character that is DEFINED by not only his brilliance but his occasional scatter brained lack of forethought and sometimes his accidental callous disregard for others feelings, especially Sue's. He never intended malice, he just saw the world changing and got swept up in the creation of the new world. He was totally in character for the duration of Civil War. Was he right? Maybe not, but that’s not the same thing as to whether or not he was in line as far as his character traits are concerned. Tony was just as right as Cap, that was the thrust of Civil War, both sides had a valid point. Tony’s point was, simply put: Most people aren’t as trustworthy as Cap. You can't have some idiot that decided to experiment on himself or even better, decided to drink some "mystery liquid" he found in the garbage somewhere and can now smash mountains and blow shit up with his mind, deciding that he is above the law. That’s a bad thing. Its a dangerous thing. These people need training and regulation. The X-men do it with their people, why shouldn’t normal super powered people? Also, who takes care of the people who become the unavoidable collateral damage that results during the fights between Captain Dunderhead and Mr. Meanguy? What if you had worked your ass off all summer long to buy a shiny, brand new car, only to have it and your legs smashed flat by some masked moron? Who do you turn to? Tony was right in that, not only is this a necessary thing, but its inevitable. I’ve never understood why, in Marvel, people want to stone Scott Summers because he’s a mutant, but Wonderman is a movie star? What’s the discernable difference between the two? I think it makes more sense to say that there wouldn’t be one, at least in the public’s eye that is, and people would start to get nervous and angry and once they start getting nervous and angry then they start panicking and lashing out and then bad things begin to happen. Tony saw the potential of this and jumped ahead of it. Does he force Heroes into the salt mines? No. Is he right to sacrifice certain civil rights in the pursuit of the greater good? No, but… that would be the gray area that Cap stands on the opposite side of. Hence the Civil War. Tony is a man used to making the hard decisions based on practically, hence the armor wars, another thing that drove he and Cap into conflict since Cap is a man who takes stands on principal. No, Tony was also well within his character, driven, pragmatic, forward thinking and stubborn. I think Civil War finally made Tony interesting and more than just a pale Bruce Wayne and the Avengers version of Wonder woman, remarkable only for once having been a drunk. Besides, having most heroes registered makes the unregistered ones like Daredevil even cooler.
Good DC and Marvel by Homer Sexual	Sep 25th, 2008 01:34:37 PM
This whole Civil War debate will not be resolved. We all have our opinionsand at this point no one is going to change their mind about CW. I admit that super heroes running around freely is unrealistic. However, the real police don't focus on apprehending bounty hunters, vigilantes, etc. They focus on catching criminals. Marvel had the govt. lackey fascist heroes actually go so far as to recruit criminals to help them hunt down other heroes. Reed and Stark were total Nazis, and nothing JoeNathan says will convince me otherwise. I can see why some people appreciate this, and it is cohesive. But I simply don't enjoy reading comics with this type of characterization. It did help me to save money by dropping all books with pro-registration heroes, but now I have started buying She Hulk again because she rebelled, and Mighty Avengers due to the SI storyline. But as soon as thats over, no more Mighty Avengers for me. I do appreciate the developments such as focusing on Luke Cage, Iron Fist, Spider-Woman, etc, as well as the cohesiveness of the MU. (BTW, since Luke and Jessica Jones have a Skrull baby, this must be going to be featured at the end of SI. If it is a loose end, that is a problem). I agree DC is a bit wiggedy-wack right now, but there are plenty of good side books. In the same way that Captain America kicks but in the MU w/o being in SI, Birds of Prey and Manhunter are great and not involved in FC. But, um, I like Teen Titans. I especially like the latest issue when they comment that Stargirl and Red Devil have the same pants. Red Devil's pants are unbelievably gay, and not in a good way.
recruiting villians by Joenathan	Sep 25th, 2008 02:06:21 PM
Did they "recruit them" or "force them" as part of their sentence? Could the Thunderbolt program be called an exaggerated attempt at community service and perhaps even rehabilitation and therefore not fascist but extremely open and liberal minded? I think so. Besides, you have to admit, the Thunderbolts are tightly relegated. Is it nice thing to do to former allies? No, but technically, by not registering those heroes became villians, and we're talking about the law here not intention of actions or past actions but the actual letter of the law, so using villians to catch them instead of sending soldiers falls more into the potential acceptable losses category. Also, if I may add, recruiting Nazis to our side led to the creation of both Captain America and Nasa. I'm not sure where you heard this, but let me assure you, police do arrest Vigilantes and as for Bounty Hunters? They are legal, so there is no problem there and even less of a corelation to this debate. I think its funny (not bad funny) that you determine your Marvel comic purchases based upon your political stance WITHIN the Marvel universe. Thats cool. Very Meta of you. Also, there's been no confirmation about the Skrull baby. Also, also, I don't think Superheroes running around without regulation to be unrealistic, just inevitablly short lived, kind of like how there used to not be a drinking age.
civil war some more by steverodgers	Sep 25th, 2008 02:08:46 PM
I think on just a gut level, I found the ending to be kind of a letdown. I don't have a better one in mind, but cap taking of his hat and giving up after being tackled by some service workers just left me cold. On the other hand I love the direction Bru has taken in caps book and the introduction of the Nazi thumping man out of time Bucky/Cap which were jump-started by Civil War to some extent. I also do like that Marvel has a very inter-connected feel these days but am not overly positive about the stories that got them there. Joen also very good arguments for the actions taken by IM and Cap. Call me old fashioned but what I don’t mind sometimes is just a big massive slug-fest with no real repercussions ala Acts of Vengeance and Secret Wars – nothing big coming out of it (black-costume notwithstanding), just a good showcase for characters to be themselves, interact, and pound on the Wrecking Crew.
Just to open a can of worms by Joenathan	Sep 25th, 2008 02:20:16 PM
I forgot to mention Spidey and One More Day... Sooooo, we all know something is going on with Dr. Strange, right? So, while I don't read regular spidey as I'm an Ultimate Spidey fan, I just assumed one more day and Mephisto and yadda, yadda, yadda, was all lead in to Strange sensing a disturbance in the force and trying to rectify it or undo it. Would that kill May? Would Spidey fight Strange? I just assumed this whole thing was story set up ala Disassembled. Also, come on now, what wouldn't you do if the one person left to you, the one person who took care of you after all your other parent figures dies, was dying? What wouldn't you do to save them? Especially when you blame yourself for not saving someone else when you could have, even if you couldn't have know. what wouldn't you do?
One More Day by steverodgers	Sep 25th, 2008 02:32:44 PM
I thought the idea of spidey was that he was just like all of us, except that through experience and grit he learned to do the right thing – so like maybe if I had spidey powers I would go off and occasionally peek into windows for grins (and who wouldn’t?) spidey wouldn’t do that – so although maybe a lot of people when presented with the opportunity to keep a loved one alive by making a deal with the devil would do it, not spider-man, because although he would be tempted, and he would think about it, in the end he would say ‘hell no’ because he’s spider-man, he makes the hard choices and lives with them – because he knows, and here it comes – that with great power comes great responsibility, and that means not making a deal with a devil who wears underpants, but strapping on his tights and getting down to business no matter what the odds.
I think by Joenathan	Sep 25th, 2008 02:52:07 PM
You're ignoring just how important Aunt May would be to Peter and being how he is "just like us" how easily a wrong decision can be made for the right reasons. Also, I think its important to asknowledge the distinction between The Devil and Mephisto. One is just a creature akin to Thor, essentially, a higher being, the other is the incarnation of pure evil, it doesn't matter if he's "Marvel's Devil" there is a difference. Also, didn't MJ make the decision?
Aunt May by Laserhead	Sep 25th, 2008 03:06:20 PM
Would I sacrifice my marriage to the devil in order to save a septuagenarian I loved? No. The woman's fucking 80 years old. Let her go. Maybe to save a child, but an old woman who by actuary standards is already on death's door every day? Fuck no.
MJ by steverodgers	Sep 25th, 2008 03:07:50 PM
Actually in this regard I am totally like those people that bag on a movie and never see it... so ill take myself out of the conversation before I say something else totally ignorant about the book. if it was MJ that made the call, then my impressions of the story are wrong, as I can see her making that decision with the devil, or Marvel's red-tighted master of disaster in a heart-beat. Because really, you can never trust a model as all they want to do is smoke and look cool. Either way I liked the idea the married grown up Pete rather than the younger single Pete, as a married grown up myself.
mercenary characterization by Laserhead	Sep 25th, 2008 03:09:17 PM
Meaning that the characters and their personalities are subject to the concept of the story, instead of the other way around. Homer already said it, basically. And it's not that I agree with Captain America, either. It wasn't credible for anyone involved to act the way they acted, to me. Not Cap, not spider-man, not Tony, and definitely not Reed, and no matter what you try to argue for it, I just don't buy it, and I don't like these guys. Plus, like I said, the story built to a bullshit slap fight.
laserhead by steverodgers	Sep 25th, 2008 03:11:23 PM
well said, she had one foot out the door as it is... plus she tried to marry doc-ock and that could have never sat well with pete.
I don't care if Spider-Man's married or not, really by Laserhead	Sep 25th, 2008 03:12:29 PM
As long as the story-tellers realize that one of the hallmarks of that "successful Spider-Man formula" they're trying to tap is that Spider-Man always changed, always grew, starting when Steve Ditko had him graduate from high school. Then he graduated college. He was unique among characters that way. That said, there's a hundred ways to dissolve a marriage that don't involve... what happened.
Married Spidey by steverodgers	Sep 25th, 2008 03:20:07 PM
Exactly, if it was the marriage they were trying to get rid off they could have picked a lot of other ways to deal with it, that would have taken Pete on lots of interesting roads, growing etc... Have her cheat on him, whatever - fall out of love, she leaves and never says a thing - she goes off and decides to have a wild drunken abusive affair with handsome Hank Pym, she joins the Thunderbolts wears metal pants, fires lasers from her mid-section and calls herself fire-crotch – anything really - deal with Mephisto... easy way out.
Laserhead and Aunt May by Joenathan	Sep 25th, 2008 03:30:06 PM
Thats awesome. "Look, Aunt May, I know you took me in and took care of me after Mom and Dad and Uncle Ben all died and we're not even really related and all that, but... its just... look, you're really fucking old, alright, so... just... die, okay? No hard feelings."
"all they want to do is smoke and look cool." by Joenathan	Sep 25th, 2008 03:32:11 PM
Truer words, man, truer words. I haven't read OMD either, I was more commenting on a possible future for Dr. Strange, who I really want to have something cool done with.
Aren't they all slap fights? by Joenathan	Sep 25th, 2008 03:38:01 PM
I mean, they are ALL wearing tights and wrestling... Alright fine, but know that I disagree with your asessment. I believe everyone acted in character in Civil War and a bad situation was made worse by their decisions. Thats why the story ended the way it did, Cap and Tony and their peeps had gotten out of control, they'd gone too far, dug in too hard and the men that pulled them apart were the embodiment of the voice of reason, meant to show these two heroes that they have more in common than not and that there are bigger concerns and that, ultimately their fight came down to responsibility, which both of them have shouldered. Why? Because they are heroes. The thing I felt was lacking was that the series could have used more space to explore and explain those characters better and to high light their actions for the "fans" because it got a little lost in the explosions and some people... missed the boat.
Dr. Strange by steverodgers	Sep 25th, 2008 03:38:20 PM
Clearly he just needs to start smoking... I really liked the BKV mini, where he is paling around with night-nurse and dead girl. But you are right Dr. strange needs a fat dose of coolness because he could just be awesome if someone can figure him out.
The marriage by Joenathan	Sep 25th, 2008 03:43:44 PM
It never bothered me that he was married, it bothered me that she was a super model. The thing I have to ask though is: Why DID they go the route they did to dissolve the marriage? Why not have them divorce? Those questions make me wonder about the future... hmmmmm...
I'm hoping by Joenathan	Sep 25th, 2008 03:45:19 PM
the magic end of Marvel is next for coolness and not in the kind of lame 80s metal way that they're portraying it in Captain Britian.
Is anyone else looking forward to the Noir stuff? by Joenathan	Sep 25th, 2008 03:51:26 PM
I'm kind of interested.
MJ by steverodgers	Sep 25th, 2008 03:58:55 PM
Agreed. Super-model MJ always kind of rankled me too. Just have her be a hot chick next door - not some world traveling, coke snorting, half naked strutting clothes-hanger... I mean how does Pete compete with all night parties at Brett Ratners house? The guy lived with his aunt in Queens while they were dating. She's got Don Johnson on the line and she's like, "I’m gonna have to click-over Don, talking to my pal Pete on his aunts May’s party line"
No Joenathan, it's more like by Laserhead	Sep 26th, 2008 06:03:08 AM
"I love you Aunt May, and I'm sorry you're dying, but I'm not sacrificing my life and my wife's life to the devil in order to unnaturally extend your already full life-span." And no, they're not all slap fights-- fights maybe, but rarely so lame a fight that it should be thus labeled. Stop being a fucking apologist. Civil War was badly written, plotted, and executed. No character behaved in line with their personality. Not one. Rephrasing people's arguments in a sardonic tone isn't the same thing as having a point.
I disagree by Joenathan	Sep 26th, 2008 08:30:49 AM
I haven't apologized for anything, I've merely explained it to you as it was apparently unclear. Civil War wasn't badly written at all and it has had a nearly unprecedented effect on the MU and most likely will continue to do so for a very long time. Its okay to not have enjoyed it or to prefer a different type of story, but thats not the same thing as badly written. New Exiles? Thats badly written. Winnick's Titans? Badly written. Civil War? Great fun. As for your assertation as to incorrect character behavior? Site an example and I'll take the time to point out where exactly the misunderstanding happened on your part. Look, you can rephrase my point, as well, but you still missed what I was saying. A. think about our little examples of "peter's goodbye to Aunt May" as if it involved real people and I think you'll see that we basically said the same thing. B. I was just joking, man. I thought it was funny. Its still funny. "Fuck off, old lady, I'm stickin' with my model wife, dig?" I could give two fucks about regular continuity Spider-man, so unbunch the panties, sir. HOWEVER, once again, its Mephisto, NOT the Devil. You can keep calling him the Devil in some kind of weird Christian-infect-the-unvierse type of thing, but it doesn't change the fact that he's NOT the Devil, he's Mephisto. One is a creature who does black magic, (Mephisto) the other is the embodiment of Evil in opposition to God. (The Devil, if you believe in that kind of thing) Sooooooo... making a deal with a Dark Sorceror while it may not be an exactly heroic thing, it is definitely a WAAAAAAAY different thing than selling your soul to the Devil, which Peter did not do. And yes, they are all slap fights, big girly, spandex clad, kind of gay slap fights... but I still love them. I mean, come on, everybody knows that Doom's obsession with Reed is based on unrequited love, thats just patently obvious.
Aunt May by Bluejack	Sep 26th, 2008 09:03:23 AM
Mephisto=Evil Incarnate=Bad, Deal with Mephisto=deal with Evil Incarnate=Bad. I think it's just that simple. Not in character at all for Pete. But if you dug it Joen, then cool.
It's not a misunderstanding by Laserhead	Sep 26th, 2008 09:17:35 AM
You're making what logician's refer to as "The Jeff Albertson Fallacy" which is to pretend your subjective opinion about characterization can be argued objectively. No, Reed being a genius who wonders "what is possible" doesn't explain his actions or render them credible; because, being a hero, he's actually always been motivated by the question of what he SHOULD do, and what the best thing for other people is. My real example of bad characterization in Civil War is this: EVERYBODY. You're telling me it's plausible that because of this registration issue, people as close as these characters, as traditionally heroic as these characters, the only way they can go about addressing the discontinuity of opinion in the super-hero community is to go to "war"? That's bullshit. That Reed and Tony decide it's okay to use serial mass-murderers to help incarcerate their former friends and comrades because now they're at "war"? "Hey, psychotic mass-murderer. I'll take time off your sentence and see to it that you're not punished for your crimes if you'll capture some former friends for me." The Thor Clone is the same thing. Even "the resistance", all their actions were just retarded. They go underground... so they can run around in costumes and "help" people without pesky government regulations. The bad characterization is this: having read Marvel my whole life, and been through most of their stories from the 60s to the present, it is ridiculous that any of the characters behaved the way they did in Civil War. Reed and Tony and Cap didn't do things because that's what Reed and Tony and Cap would do-- they did things because Millar had this concept for a story he thought would be "hot" and he needed the characters to behave that way, and so they did. Also, what's your point about Mephisto, exactly? I keep referring to him as the devil because, you know, Mephistopheles is a name for the devil, and the fact that he looks like and acts like the devil, steals souls and whatnot, it's a natural call. It has nothing to do with "weird Christian-infect-the-universe" whatever. It doesn't matter who the fuck Mephisto is- in the Marvel universe, he's basically regarded as the equivalent of the devil, and he's more omniscient than a "creature who does black magic." Who gives a fuck? It was, next to Civil War, the dumbest, most out-of-character decision ever. You kind of disguise yourself in the language of logic, Joenathan, but all your arguments are ad hominem.
My point of contention being by Laserhead	Sep 26th, 2008 10:06:35 AM
not that you disagree, Joe. That's perfectly fine. It's when you approach your own opinions with this sanctimonious attitude that insists anyone who doesn't agree with you is at worst an idiot and an best someone who is badly mistaken. Consider that your opinions are no more valid that anyone else's-- they certainly aren't better argued. You're just not that bright, and you'd do better to communicate with a touch of humility.
BlueJack by Joenathan	Sep 26th, 2008 12:21:02 PM
I didn't dig it, I didn't read it and Mephisto and the Devil aren't the same thing. Evil incarnate is different than Evil, understand? I get that it upsets people, but I think they are giving the situation more weight then it deserves by, accidently or purposefully, confusing Mephisto and The Devil and pretending that they are one in the same. They are not.
Oh Laserhead... by Joenathan	Sep 26th, 2008 01:11:00 PM
See, you're problem is that you are categorizing a hero as infallible, they are not. They make bad decisions and they have to deal with the consequences. You want infallible boy scouts, go to DC, but Marvel has first, last and ALWAYS featured human heroes who make mistakes and then struggle to correct and overcome them and sometimes fail. I know that’s why I’ve always liked them. And I called it a misunderstanding because I’m not saying that you’re wrong, you can have your opinion and I’m going to voice mine as well. That’s what these places are for, right? I don’t think you’re wrong or an idiot. Thicken up, buddy and know that I don’t mean to make you cry, alrigh? The problem some message board people like you have is you think a debate should go like this: One person says something, you shout them down and then they stay quiet forever. It doesn’t work like that. I’m just voicing my opinion. I’m not saying you’re right or that I’m right, but if you say something that I disagree with, I’m going to say why. So lay off the flip outs, alright? The only reason people like you devolve into insults, I believe, is because you got nothing. NOTHING. See, I said, cite some examples and I’ll explain where I think you’re mistaken and you say (and only say) EVERYONE. Sorry dude, but that’s just a cheat, see, because I think that I can explain why each character did what they did. To me, the pattern of their actions are reflected in their history and I believe that the only reason you won’t respond in a civil debate kind of way is because even you know that the only reason you’re bagging on Civil War is because you just didn’t like it AND that’s fine! That’s fine. I’m okay with that, but if you want throw what I believe to be some purposefully incorrect shit at something because you don’t like it and I disagree, well, I’m going to respond. If you want to say “I just didn’t like Civil War”, then I’ll say: “Eh, that’s too bad.” And be cool with it, so just relax, everybody’s friends here, I don’t think any less of you or that I’m better than you or anything like that, okay? Save your name calling and venom for the playground and lets get back to the comics… Look, why do you think Sue has almost fucked Namor like a million times? Because Reed is a scatter brained, inconsiderate jerk, not on purpose, but he is. Yes, he does save people and many times the planet, yes, he is a hero, but if he can continually (as in: throughout FF history) ignore his wife’s feelings to the point of almost driving her into the arms of a fish-man, then it certainly makes sense that he would attempt to build a series of prisons in the negative zone that are linked by multiple wormhole teleporters in order to house criminals after the Raft break out and… oops!... not think about how Danny Rand is going to feel about it all when he gets locked up for failure to register. These type of actions are consist throughout Reed’s history all the way back to the beginning. Also, in the real world prisoners and criminals get paroled or released early or get reduced sentences for their crimes ALL THE TIME, so yeah, that makes sense to me, the rightness or wrongness is a wholly different debate, besides, like I said, they are HEAVILY regulated with the nanotech stuff. The Thor clone was cutting edge science, its what Tony does. Imagine the possibilities contained within such DNA. Did it back fire? Yes. “Mistakes were made.” As for Cap, he stood up for people’s civil rights, what could be MORE in character for him? And yes, he was willing to go to War over it and it wouldn’t be the first time either (WWII). Also, this isn’t the first time he’s gone against the government and went underground in order to continue helping people either, nor is it the first time such an idea has been broached in comics. As for the war, no it obviously wasn’t a good idea, but then, these ARE a group of people who traditionally solve problems by hitting each other, plus the whole “who would win” scenario is a comic book classic. And honestly, I know its not that important to us because we see everyone’s motivations, but you’re forgetting that the law is the law. Cap breaking it, no matter his reasons, makes his actions illegal and you can’t do that. Heroes are supposed to uphold the law. If they allow their friends to break the law, how can they police the actions of others? That’s what made the War so hard, nobody wanted it, but no one saw a way out. Might there have been a better, more reasonable decision, maybe, but that would have been a boring comic, right? Anyway, that’s why Cap willingly surrendered in the end and was going to go to court, so he could have his say and explain why he thinks the SHRA is wrong, but it was not meant to be... Millar making the characters do things for the benefit of the story is the definition of story telling. And my Mephisto point is that he ISN’T the Devil, ISN’T. There is a difference. You can say that he ESSENTIALLY is, but he still isn’t. The distinction is important.
Mephisto by Bluejack	Sep 26th, 2008 02:17:13 PM
Mephisto=Major Demon or Devil. You are in the very tiny minority if you think Mephisto is supposed to be some garden variety demon. He is Marvel's version of Mephistophiles. To say he isn't the Devil is splitting a hair.
but an important hair by Joenathan	Sep 26th, 2008 02:58:03 PM
One is the opposite of god. The other is not. Dealing with one literally means your eternal soul, the other one is akin to dealing with Loki and will probably just end in a fist fight, hopefully with Dr. Strange some how involved. And Wang... lots and lots of Wang.
Oh, Joenathan... Your mistakes are many... by Laserhead	Sep 26th, 2008 08:14:44 PM
I don't think heroes are infallible, never have-- I just think there's a line you CAN cross that makes you go from being 'hero' to 'asshole'. That line was crossed by every character in Civil War. Your equivocations just carry you farther and farther from the work you're pretending to examine. The Thor clone was cutting edge science, so that justifies Tony doing it? Nope. Grafting a fucking cow's head to an infant's ass might be "cutting edge science", but it's the kind of thing that, were you to do it, you would not be classifiable as a 'hero.' Get it? And no, "essentially the devil" and "the devil" isn't an important distinction, as we're talking about fictional worlds to begin with. Anything in a fictional world is only ever representational. Aaaaaannnn ndd....NONONONO-- Millar making CHARACTERS ACT AGAINST THEIR CHARACTERS is NOT the definition of good storytelling. It's actually the OPPOSITE of good storytelling. It's what's known as "shit storytelling." And in this case, it's fucking laughably tragic: "I'll make all these characters act completely differently than their established personalities IN ORDER TO TELL A BORING, CRAP STORY THAT ENDS IN A TICKLE FIGHT." See you next week, Jeff.
And who's not being civil? by Laserhead	Sep 26th, 2008 08:16:20 PM
I've been nothing but civil, you cunt.
My two cents. by BangoSkank	Sep 27th, 2008 01:09:05 PM
I enjoyed Civil War but thought many of the decisions may have been questionable in relation to the characters making them... However, I think that to say ALL characters --every single one of them-- behaved unlike their normal self, is an overstatement. My biggest complaint, as stated before --by myself and others-- is the drafting of the new Thunderbolts... Bullseye? Venom? Norm freakin' Osborn? Just too much of a stretch.... Maybe as a covert team (maaaaybe), but as reformed villains who are now media heroes and freedom fighters for America. Ugh. These guys are mass-fucking-murderers. I'm on the fence about the prison and Thor, in reality, both Reed and Tony have made some fairly poor decisions before.... Ones based strictly on a "I wonder if I could make it happen" mentality. I'm willing to accept the decisions. If someone else is not, I can certainly see why. The whole pick one side or another (if you're not with me, you're against me) mentality felt stretched some of the time.... A story forced into the rigid parameters of a cool idea. But again, not all the time. And overall, I dug it. As for Spiderman.... I didn't read BND, I gave up even before that, but Mephisto is a demon who captures and enslaves the souls of others. So, yes, when dealing with Mephisto, your immortal soul could be in jeopardy... Just ask Ghost Rider. Spider man (or MJ) made a deal with the devil, even if it didn't happen to be The Devil.
Also... by BangoSkank	Sep 27th, 2008 01:18:57 PM
I'm enjoying Uncanny X-men, which is nice, 'cause it's my longest running collected comic, and the one --no matter how bad it gets-- I can't give up. And I was really pleased that we saw a little more of Nick Fury's New Howling Commandos last week in Mighty Avengers. Bitch, apparently, and you shall receive. As for All-Star Supes, I haven't gotten it yet.... but it is in the mail and I look forward to reading it. Great series. As for All-Star Batman, it's one of my secret vices.... Like reading my wife's US Weekly in the crapper (it helps the bowels move, trust)..... I know that it's shit, but still find it entertaining. And we're only taking about.... What? Eight bucks a year?
What? by Joenathan	Sep 29th, 2008 08:55:03 AM
Cow head on a baby? Thats just crazy talk? What the hell are you talking about? "Excuse me, Superman? ..Uh... Have you ever grafted a cow's head on a baby?" "Ah... no..." "You, sir... are a hero." Its funny how you just repeat the same nonsense, its almost like you don't know what you're talking about... hmmm... Anyway, you calling names just proves me right, nanananana, you are wrong, pppppbbbbbbtttttt!
Bango by Joenathan	Sep 29th, 2008 09:01:15 AM
Read Thunderbolts. Yes, they are media heroes, but only there, in the media. Its called spin. "Mission accomplished." Also, like I said, criminals are paroled all the time. The criminals of the Thunderbolts are promised to be paroled if they agree to participate in the Thunderbolt program (a promise yet to actually be fullfilled) and while in the program, they're caged when not active and released with nano-chains in their blood when they are. Its not like they're walking the streets free and going to Tony and Reed's Victory BBQs. Come on. Yes, its true, Peter "made a deal with the devil" as in a bad deal where he gains something but at too high and too dear a price, "a deal with the devil" as used in common slang. BUT he didn't make a deal with the actual Devil. Do you really not understand the difference?
re. Aunt May:Comics R 4 Kids, After All by Buzz Maverik	Sep 30th, 2008 07:07:35 AM
Ever since Stan, we've been told how mature, adult and sophisticated comic books are. Just look at how we blew up Hawkeye, wasn't that keen? (Cue geeks to tell me that Hawkeye didn't blow up, he imploded). But, no, no, Mommy can't die! Mommy can't die! But, Buzz, comics are in the real world now! Look at how the guy in the flag suit is against Bush! But fictional Mommy can't die! Most adults, and far too many children, all over the real world (that's Earth Real World for those of you too far gone)have to face the death of a loved one sooner or later. Why not call the whole saving Aunt May thing what it is? A bad plot device, used in bad writing to fix earlier bad writing. There's no logic to it. There's no drama or growth. There's no depth of character, no nuance, no heroism or conflict. Comics were a lot smarter when they WERE aimed at kids. But, Buzz, look how they killed off the b-list. See, it's about the Patriot Act, which I learned about from the Marvel press kit...
OMD by Joenathan	Sep 30th, 2008 09:17:31 AM
I'm not passing judgement on the story, bad, good, whatever (I lean toward whatever because I don't read regular continuity Spider-man.) all I'm saying is Peter doing WHATEVER he has to in order to save Aunt May (or Mary Jane) makes COMPLETE sense. Its totally in character for him.
"Mission accomplished!" by BangoSkank	Sep 30th, 2008 01:02:33 PM
It's Tuesday, so this post might be a lost cause, but... Joen, I see your point. I just thought seeing a little kid playing with (in the comic) a Thunderbolts action figure was a little over the top.... Seeing how all the members are known mass-murderers. But I also get what they (both the writers, and the fictionalized government) were/are trying to do. My problem was really with Tony and Reed thinking that it's an okay idea. As for Spiderman, yes, it's not the Christian Devil, but it is a demon from "the underworld" who collects souls, so "deal with the devil" is a lot more than just a slang phrase. Do YOU really not understand the difference?
Whoa whoa whoa by Psynapse	Sep 30th, 2008 03:54:30 PM
QUOTE: all I'm saying is Peter doing WHATEVER he has to in order to save Aunt May (or Mary Jane) makes COMPLETE sense. Its totally in character for him. Okay by that logic had Mephisto shown up and said "Hey Pete, kill this schoolbus full of kids and I'll save yer Aunty-Poo!" THAT would have made 'complete' sense as well.
Yo Laserhead! by Psynapse	Sep 30th, 2008 03:58:11 PM
"The Jeff Albertson Fallacy"-Thank you for reminding me EXACTLY why I get so annoyed with Joenathan's statements at times.

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