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I love me some Doctor Who... by LordPorkington	Sep 10th, 2008 07:37:40 AM
I might have to pick up that comic now.
Weird thing is... by LordPorkington	Sep 10th, 2008 07:38:37 AM
The wife might even read it too. Who'd have thought it?!
Good morning! by duct tape wallet	Sep 10th, 2008 07:39:24 AM
I mean it!
Bug.... by BangoSkank	Sep 10th, 2008 07:46:59 AM
The old New Defenders was my first monthly, and Gargoyle has been my favorite character since..... I don't read the Initiative, can you tell me what can of part he plays and if it's worth picking up?
Ugh. by BangoSkank	Sep 10th, 2008 07:48:55 AM
Damn, this site needs an edit option.... or I need to proofread before posting. Hope you catch my drift.
The Fringe comic is not retelling the TV Show by V'Shael	Sep 10th, 2008 07:56:01 AM
Just so you know.
DOCTOR WHO: THE FORGOTTEN #1 was a great issue by SpyGuy	Sep 10th, 2008 07:57:37 AM
So much better than that previous piece of shit "Agent Provocateur" mini-series by Gary Russell. Guerra's artwork captures the mood perfectly and Tony Lee gives us a solid mystery to solve. This is how IDW should have launched their DOCTOR WHO titles from the beginning.
One more thing! by BangoSkank	Sep 10th, 2008 07:58:39 AM
Anyone know if that's the same Brian Keene who wrote The Rising zombie books? I'm assuming it is. I'm reading The Ghoul right now, and find him hit and miss.... Didn't care for Dark Hallow, but thought Terminal was pretty good. I liked The Rising despite the shit ending, but the sequel was a disappointment. However, that said, I fucking LOVED the Conqueror Worms, and will read pretty much anything he writes because of it. I'm stupid like that.
Green Lantern question... by Sailor Rip	Sep 10th, 2008 08:26:55 AM
...I bought the first issue of the revised origin of Hal Jordan then lost interest. When exactly does this arc end?
Bangoskank by Midnightxpress	Sep 10th, 2008 08:39:36 AM
Yep, it''s that Brian Keene....given what you said about Keene, you should probably aviod his latest novel, a semi-sequel to Dark Hollow, called Ghost Walk. It's a bit soft compared to his other work, and I enjoyed DH quiet a bit.
Sailor GL by optimous_douche	Sep 10th, 2008 09:01:50 AM
Can't base this series off the first issue. Issue one was probably the biggest rehash of where we have been. Each issue after though expoentially increases the new material to the legend. Issue 2 might feel a bit like wading through some old Emerald Dawn pages, but if you are a fan of Johns' dialogue you will forgive this fact. Good God though, it has really kickedinto high gear since Sinestro came on the scene.
optimous_douche by Sailor Rip	Sep 10th, 2008 09:06:07 AM
Thanks. Maybe I'll check out the trade when it comes out.
Am I the only one by One Nation Under Zod	Sep 10th, 2008 09:13:18 AM
Who WANTS Lois to die? Even if it's onlt for a year... I want to see some Wonder Woman love interest stories...
Doctor Who ...... by Be_a_zed	Sep 10th, 2008 09:26:04 AM

Sucks. by Be_a_zed	Sep 10th, 2008 09:26:34 AM
That is all.
Doctor Who by Pogue Mahone	Sep 10th, 2008 09:44:02 AM
I've hated the new Doctor Who comic so far... and was hesitant about this one. But I, like Vroom, am a fan of all things Who so I picked it up. And shit! Wasn't it great?!? Spot on dialogue and characterizations! GREAT art! And a wonderful nostalgiac vibe throughout! I can't wait for next issue! Any of you WHO Fans have any guesses on villains?! (That means you too, Vroom!) I'm hoping it's NOT the Master but is someone equally as classic and awesome... The Valeyard? Omega? (I'm off to re-read it and look at the background stuff more clearly!)
Sailor Rip - Green Latrine by Squashua	Sep 10th, 2008 09:46:09 AM
I think it's dragged on 2 issues too long; it does rope in The Black Hand though - that's the dude running through the graveyard - and connects him to the Red Lanterns or something. We see in this issue that he acquires a powerful anti-GL weapon.
Johns and Brubaker by Itblowstherobot	Sep 10th, 2008 09:49:05 AM
I realized last week that a little under half of my monthly pull are written by either Johns or Brubaker... And I couldn't be happier. I'm not reading Uncanny X-Men but I'm reading every other Bru-book and think that he and Johns are the top of the heap in terms of writers.
I'm glad Douche likes Green Lantern.... by cookylamoo	Sep 10th, 2008 10:03:49 AM
Because frankly, watching arch fiend Sinestro help Hal Jordan get in touch with his daddy issues makes me more than just a little nauseous. Where is that dickhead control freak from Emerald Twilight? The only thing worse would be to watch Dr. Doom help Reed Richards work through his inadequacy problems after being so badly punked in Secret Invasion.
Midnightxpress by BangoSkank	Sep 10th, 2008 10:16:47 AM
Thanks for the info.... Yeah, I didn't "hate" Dark Hallow... Just wasn't "in love" with it, same can be said for The Rising follow-up. I am about halfway through Ghoul and liking it quite a bit... And yeah, I doubt I'll pick up Ghost Walk unless I read some really positive reviews, simple because of its relation to Dark Hallow.
Venom / Anti-Venom, Mr. Negative, and Li... by Squashua	Sep 10th, 2008 10:24:49 AM
... all related to THE SENTRY! You heard it here first, True Believer! Or, rather, I just thought of that concept and haven't really looked to see if anyone else thought of it. Man, I'm gonna go look now...
Titans by ian216a	Sep 10th, 2008 10:44:25 AM
I couldn't read the above review because I am still so fucking angry they gave the book to Winick. So very angry.
My guess on the DW: THE FORGOTTEN villain? The War Lord. by SpyGuy	Sep 10th, 2008 10:50:39 AM
The reference to "Games" made me think of the Second Doctor finale "The War Games." If it is the War Lord, I'd love to know how he survived being wiped out of existence by the Time Lords.
Deadpool anyone? by Series7	Sep 10th, 2008 10:56:25 AM
That comes out today right?
Not sure if Stone missed the point with Sub-Mariner... by Dragon Man	Sep 10th, 2008 10:56:34 AM
I don't know if Stone didn't get what this new Sub-Mariner mini is supposed to be about or if he just doesn't care for the concept. I heard about it and intrigued by the idea, I picked up the first issue and it doesn't disappoint. In fact, it's really, really good. It's removing the character from the Marvel Universe and creating a story around him that treats him as a tall tale that actually is true as these explorers go to find out. I love stories like this and issue #1 was a solid start.
Re: Series7 by Xanthos Samurai	Sep 10th, 2008 11:03:57 AM
As far as I'm aware, the new Deadpool did come out today. Anyone heard anything about it?
Bangoskank by Joenathan	Sep 10th, 2008 11:18:02 AM
I completely disagree with you about Keene, I think he is terrible with a capital "T". His books suck so bad, they have their own event horizon. In case you were wondering about my opinion...
Doctor Who... Warlord... by Pogue Mahone	Sep 10th, 2008 11:29:31 AM
Very interesting indeed.
I hope they keep the Mac Gargan Venom. by rev_skarekroe	Sep 10th, 2008 11:48:46 AM
The only good idea to come from Millar's Spider-Man, imo.
Deadpool #1 by WarpedElements	Sep 10th, 2008 11:53:13 AM
I love almost all things Deadpool (hated Cable & Deadpool, Fabian sucks ass writing Deadpool himself. Dunno about cable's personality though), but it seems to be sorta an intro issue if you've never read anything about Deadpool. It's zany and wacky, lotta action. The multiple voices in Deadpool's head is amusing, but I dunno how long the novelty will last. It is interesting, especially when you can see where a normal person would go "Ok do this, maybe I sh-" "BAMN! on it!" sorta zaniness. Enjoyable if you're a Deadpool fan.
Warped Elements? by Series7	Sep 10th, 2008 12:00:45 PM
You love almost all things Deadpool, but you don't like Cable Vs Deadpool. That doesn't leave you much to choose from? I really liked volume 1, 2 was a little slow. Gotta get through the rest. Also found a mint copy of New Mutants #1 still in package with the cards in it, with the dead pool card. And only $1, i guess thats pretty good?
Hey Zod by Mr.FTW	Sep 10th, 2008 12:17:21 PM
I'm right there with you, DC should have killer off the plot contivence know as Lois Lane decades a go. The character is horrible and always has been. She was nothing more than a plot device damsel in distress in early Superman adventures and her evolution into a "strong, independent" woman they just made her a bitch. Superman/Clark's chraracter development has been stagnant in the comics for years due to the albatros know as Lois Lane around his neck. Let her die... permenantly. I'm with you, let Supe's relationship with Wonder Woman go somewhere instead of dancing circles in off beat stories and Elseworlds books.
Deadpool things: by WarpedElements	Sep 10th, 2008 12:19:54 PM
Do a general search for Deadpool. There were his first 2 mini series. His first series which was 1-69 plus a buncha specials, he guest starred in a buncha stuff. Agent X as well, buncha appearances in X-Force. Short arc on Secret Defenders, buncha appearances in Wolverine issues, and the crossover with Black Panther was hilarious. Joe Kelly is the one who made Deadpool the on again off again hero/conflicted type in his first run. I think it was Deadpool 1-36 or so that he wrote and established much of his personality. Priest's run came after that and was pretty good. Jimmy Palamoti's stuff was pretty fun, but it was mostly low key urban/mobster fun. Gail Simone's stuff was short, but pretty awesome too.
Doctor Who by Ralph Hinkley	Sep 10th, 2008 12:22:41 PM
I saw Tony Lee at Comic Con. I was in a group of costumed Doctor Who fans and Tony asked if we would pose for a shot with him (he's holding the very comic reviewed!). I'm the 5th Doctor - complete with celery. I've looked better. http://tinyurl.com/5ve9qc
Rev/Millar Spider-Man by steverodgers	Sep 10th, 2008 12:27:26 PM
I thought his MK Spider-Man was excellent - some of his best Marvel work - especially once I got past the art. I also thought 'Down Among the Dead Men' was a great name for a comic arc as well... probably taken from a novel i have never read.
the rift between good and bad comics by THE_ONE_MAN_GANG	Sep 10th, 2008 12:28:57 PM
is very large. there is just no in between.
Joenathan by BangoSkank	Sep 10th, 2008 12:31:51 PM
That's cool man, everyone is entitled to their own opinion.... Most of his stuff falls into middle for me.... Neither hate, nor love.... Except for the Worm book, which just felt like a great B-movie to me, and I really enjoyed it.
Zod & FTW Re Lois by optimous_douche	Sep 10th, 2008 12:54:51 PM
You wnat to see Lois offed time and again traverse no further than 17 years ago to the Armageddon 2001 series. Basically every annual that summer went into the far flung futue of 2001 to see where our heroes would be. Supes had like four books going at teh time and I think Lois lived through maybe one of them. I don't think he ended up with Wonder Woman though, but Maxima, I would have to go back and check it has been a long time.
WarpedElements by Series7	Sep 10th, 2008 01:33:13 PM
Yeah I know all that, but this was the first series in a while to spot light Deadpool.
The Black Sky in Last Will and Testament by holidill	Sep 10th, 2008 01:43:53 PM
I just finished reading the three HC of the Sinestro Corps war and I got to thinking that maybe the black sky is actually going to be a part of the blackest night story. I don't know why they would release it so early, but it made me think.
Iron Man by Joenathan	Sep 10th, 2008 01:59:56 PM
Anyone else reading the current series? I'm really enjoying them, Faction's title more than the other, but both have been lots of fun.
Deadpool Series: by WarpedElements	Sep 10th, 2008 02:06:18 PM
Meh, I'm just saying, based on all his other appearances, and his own series, Fabian did a hack job on what Deadpool is all about. Cable, I dunno about because I never followed his stuff. S'far as I know he's a time traveling badass warrior that appeared in New Mutants, but then he went all pacifist and kumbaya in Fabian's series. Dunno how that phases Cable fans, but I feel he wrote the worst Deadpool series to date. He had a "Wow I did something craaaaaaazzzzzzzzzzy! And look at me make pop culture references!" character. That's not Deadpool. I'd take almost anyone else's take on him.
Night Owls Motion Comic! by Ducko5	Sep 10th, 2008 02:07:25 PM
Check out this awesome [URL=http://www.youtube.com/wa tch?v=UZX3RaFZx24]Night Owls Cartoon![/URL]
Wha hoppen? by Ducko5	Sep 10th, 2008 02:20:35 PM
I made a newb link error. Oops.
Try this. by Ducko5	Sep 10th, 2008 02:21:51 PM
Night Owls cartoon: http://tinyurl.com/5dvadp
Fables by Gelatinousman	Sep 10th, 2008 02:56:36 PM
It was so good that I read it twice before reading anything else in my weekly books.
I understand the concept, Dragon Man. by stones_throw	Sep 10th, 2008 05:44:29 PM
Problem is, the concept sucks. Maybe if they were using all-new characters, like Bug said in his DEVIL-SLAYER review (although I'd still criticize the book for being vapid and unnecessarily slow), but the premise doesn't have a lot of suspense when we KNOW Atlantis and Namor exist, because they've been appearing in Marvel comics for, what, 70 years? What I'd have done would be have the cool parts of the issue (the 1930s World's Fair imagery, the idea of an expedition to Atlantis) as the first few pages, then have the sub get kidnapped and held hostage by Krang or Attuma or someone in his campaign against the light-skinned half breed Namor. Namor is forced into an alliance with the hated surface-dwellers who he is inextricably linked to because of his heritage. Along the way we get to see the wonders of Kirby-esque Atlantis and big-ass sea monsters before probably #3 if we're lucky. As it is, they should have just titled it THE BORING, FORGETTABLE GUY WHO DIDN'T BELIEVE IN THE SUB-MARINER: THE DEPTHS. I don't care about this guy. Milligan didn't make me care about him. He's just killing time before we get to the guy whose name is in the title. Like Bug said, Marvel's rationale on these books is screwy, and I blame Axel Alonso, who edits the MAX line. MAX could be a place for insane, twisted stuff with the more obscure or creepy characters. Instead, the dude's convinced we don't want to see what they put in the title and on the covers.
Last week was the first in... by BangoSkank	Sep 10th, 2008 05:53:23 PM
months (years?) that I didn't receive a delivery from Midtown Comics in the mail. Hear that? It's my inner-child weeping. Maybe I've cut too much fat from my pull-list.....
"68 BIG PAGES for 50 cents" by rben	Sep 10th, 2008 07:57:56 PM
yup, my childhood ruled, bitches!
Hopefully a far, distant 'fringe' by The StarWolf	Sep 10th, 2008 08:46:47 PM
The comic can't be as bad as the series. I made the mistake of catching the pilot and ... wow, the female lead comes across like Darth Vader, blackmailing civilians into doing her bidding, and then changing the agreement for the worse on the fly. And then there's the idiot she cons into joining her ... Made me want to root for the bad guys.
Starwolf.... by BangoSkank	Sep 10th, 2008 09:16:32 PM
have you been watching anything other than Little House on the Prairie reruns for the past 20 years? I don't care what you've fooled yourself into believing, both Buffy and Moulder were not without their faults. There was plenty about the Fringe pilot to criticize, but if the biggest failure for you was the morals by which the government agent operated by, perhaps you should stick to reruns of Everyone Loves Raymond and King of Queens. The shortcomings of those two lovable scamps are so easy to overlook.
Bug & I Had A Conversation About Gargoyle.. by Buzz Maverik	Sep 11th, 2008 12:30:43 AM
..once. It was one of those fan things. "I never really wanted to work in comics, but if I was given any book, I'd do a DEFENDERS line up centered around the Hulk, Dr. Strange and the Black Widow." "No Gargoyle?" "I'm talking the Defenders, here, Bug..."
Judd by The Heathen	Sep 11th, 2008 01:37:41 AM
Hey Bug, figured I'd peep in from the orbiting Cog Mansion. I haven't read any of "Titans" and I won't (I have a 'No Judd' policy now in place due to our lovely economy and him sucking), but isn't the panel layout directly related most of the time to the writer? Neither this writer or artist is exactly the top tier in quality, but I'm guessing that Judd was more or less being a lazy writer and had the artist draw some splash pages. Also, Michael Turner. Too soon! I would have went with Ed Benes because that would have related to your JLA comment, which btw, I was going to disagree with because I read that one, but then I remembered that I don't remember what happens in that book every month. I think something with the Flash was kinda cool a few months ago? Maybe. Horrible covers too. And don't even get me started on the lame "Sightings" thing DC has implemented. The font alone should be banned from ever being used. I think they should hire me as their graphic designer just for things like that. I'm pretty sure I just did something that was typical of the internets. Oh well. Cogs? Farabee? Good column @$$holes.
to warped elements... by DuncanDisorderly	Sep 11th, 2008 04:10:10 AM
How can you accuse Fabian Nicieza of doing a hack job on Cable & Deadpool? Fabian co-created Deadpool, along with Rob Liefeld, and so really has the definitive version of the character in his books...
Moral fibre by The StarWolf	Sep 11th, 2008 04:15:57 AM
Bangoskank - Everyone has flaws, but I'd rather my main characters not behave like the bad guys whose downfall I used to cheer. And the continuity is ludicrously thrown out the window when the scientist is under such tight medical security that only family can visit under controlled circumstances, yet at the end of the episode, he's out for good?! No hearing? No medical review? What's up with this? If if was that easy, why did she need the son to get things started? She's the FBI for criminy's sake. Don't they have ANY legal powers? Apparently not. And the idiot son ... he's just lost a $600,000 deal because of her, yet "Sure, I'll follow your crusade"?!?! Made absolutely no sense whatsoever.
Starwolf... by BangoSkank	Sep 11th, 2008 07:59:49 AM
I hear you... Although overall, I liked it, the pilot was filled with flaws.... the plot devices you mention above are two great examples. I just thought the FBI agents motivation for trying to save her dying lover, was at the low end of issues I had with it. Sorry if I was an ass in my last post.
"I'd rather my main characters not behave like the bad guys whos by Joenathan	Sep 11th, 2008 09:14:08 AM
"I'd rather my main characters not behave like the bad guys whose downfall I used to cheer." I just don't get that thought process at all and it is surprisingly common amongst comic book folk. I'd much rather follow the story of a complex and flawed character than a white knight any day of the week and yes, I am emphatically stating that any pure, white hat wearing good guy character, just like any moustache twirling bad guy character, is nothing but a lame, 2-D character. BORING! so, on to the discussion side of things, what is it about comic books that attracts so many "simplistic" readers? Is it just a hold over from the smiling Pre-code, Pre-Dark Knight/Watchman days or are some "critics" at least partially right when they claim that comics are a haven for the chronically under-read?
Oh great, El Diablo is a gangsta with a heart by Homer Sexual	Sep 11th, 2008 10:27:38 AM
He sends money to his family in Mexico,etc. As a bilingual hoodrat, let me just say.....WHATEVER! How lame. Man, If Judd Winick wrote a character like that, he'd be getting blasted all over this forum, instead it gets a good review. I am super liberal, and even I hate that stereotype. On another note, Secret Invasion 6 is..ok. It is perfectly fine and an enjoyable read, but doesn't have the urgency the first three issues have. I know I'll get blasted, but it now seems not BIG enough. I am hoping there will be a monumental, momentous conclusion, hopefully with some sort of twist, to raise it back to "A" level. The side books seem more eventful than the main book these last couple months.
Sub Mariner & DragonMan by CaptainCosmos	Sep 11th, 2008 10:52:44 AM
I couldn't agree with you more, Dragon Man. "The Depths" has a great, pulp-adventure feel to it, as it creates an alternative history for the Marvel U, where Namor is very much an unproven legend, just like Atlantis. I really dug how they set it in the 50's, but with technology that obviously didn't exist at that time. Sure we know it's Namor attacking the sub, but they did such a good job of setting up the story, the mystery of the missing adventurer and piling on tons of atmosphere and ominous tone. And while I didn't love Ribic's art on Silver Surfer: Requim so much, for this old-school underwater adventure, the painterly look is absolutely perfect. Will the remaining 4 issues live up to the set up of the first? Who knows, but I'm definitely all in on this one. Oh, and could one of you Assholes revisit Brubaker's "Criminal" with a new review? That book needs some fuckin' love ya'll!
Homer by Joenathan	Sep 11th, 2008 01:16:46 PM
I think people will change their tunes when SI is read as a trade. The first 5 issues have taken place over just a few hours time, story wise and when read all together, its going to move with a breakneck pace.
2-D Charachters joen by optimous_douche	Sep 11th, 2008 01:35:35 PM
Joenathan great points about complex characters. Earlier in the TalkBacks I received a heaping pile of talk from a poster about my Gl review and the fact that they didn’t like seeing a softer side of Sinestro. I have to disagree though. All evil , all the time is boring unless it is some seriously fucked up evil. However, even then can we really be shocked anymore? This is one of the things I have loved about Johns’ and Morrison’s Lex Luthor, the bald bastard truly believes he’s on the side of angels, and when done right, they make the reader believe it as well. Yes, I want to see the time prior to Sinestro becoming a complete totalitarian of his sector. I want to see more than just some mwahaha evil schemes unfold. I want humanity from both my heroes and my villains.
I agree by Joenathan	Sep 11th, 2008 02:33:32 PM
Classic good versus evil stories are great, I love them, but not when its Dudley Doright versus Snidely Whiplash and that doesn't mean that the lines between hero and villain have to be blurred, what it means is that real characters have complex motivations and reasons for doing what they do. If a character is just doing what he does for: "truth justice and mom's apple pie, stay in school, kids and life will be perfect!" then I'm not interested and I don't get why anyone is. The hero is the handsome one and the bad guy is the ugly one. Screw that. But my question is: Why is there such a large and vocal gathering of the types of people who do like that kind of crap in the comic book world? Is it the tights? What is it?
I Think by optimous_douche	Sep 11th, 2008 04:01:36 PM
Becasue there is comfort in the chestnuts. Even I veer back to the Big Blue from time to time just to check-in. I know the Man of Steel is OK, but there is a certain comfort in settling in for a good read with characters that you know so well. I wonder if most collectors are like me and have evolved from religiously collecting a title just becasue they must have every one and moved to following writers they like from property to property.
DuncanDisorderly by WarpedElements	Sep 11th, 2008 04:09:56 PM
Just because Fabian co-created the character doesn't mean he did the best job with him. Stan Lee created the X-men, that doesn't mean he'd write THE definitive X-men story. Joe Kelly defined Deadpool as simply a screwy guy in a messed up world. He's neither hero nor anti-hero, he kills, he saves the day, he keeps old ladies prisoner sometimes. Fabian's hack version was as I described: "HEEEEY I'M GOING TO MAKE POP CULTURE REFERENCES AND DO SOMETHING ZANY OVER ON THIS PANEL! WOOOO!". Between that and Fabian pushing his political views to the forefront and writing Deadpool as actually insane (His killing of the Usama Bin Laden stand in, etc) instead of simply a guy with screwed up outlook on life, sorta ruined the character. Fabian did a hack job, instead of dealing with the character's changes and growth throughout the years he didn't write him, he wrote him as he appeared in his early 90s incarnation.
I gave up after 2 issues of Secret Invasion... by loodabagel	Sep 11th, 2008 04:10:09 PM
I enjoyed the title, but I have a strict "3 Dollar Policy." I absolutely refused to pay the unjustified 4$ price tag. Comics need to be cheap again. If Dark Horse and Image can charge 3$ an issue with no ads, than Marvel and Dc should take a lesson from them and lower their prices. I would be very happy to see cheaper comics.
OPtimous... by loodabagel	Sep 11th, 2008 04:11:55 PM
I notoriously gave up on Amazing Spider-Man after One More Day and I haven't looked back.
Lood and Optimus by Joenathan	Sep 11th, 2008 04:23:44 PM
I can see not buying a comic due to a personal budget concern, but I think you can expect monkeys flying from your butt before you can expect comics to EVER get cheaper. The only Superman I read now is Morrison's. All star is a great example of a classically good character written in interesting ways, but I don't think thats what some of these guys want. I think they want Batman walking down the street, smiling and waving at the kiddies. I think they want the norman rockwell silver age back, which while awesome for insane ideas and crazy shit all around, really sucked when it came to complex characterizations. Say what you will about the grim and gritty ghetto post Dark Knight, the one good thing that bloomed from that manure pile were 3-D characters. I understand the bond one can feel between yourself and a long loved and read character, but once something evolves, it can not de-evolve. (unless you're Hank McCoy)
loodabagel by WarpedElements	Sep 11th, 2008 04:26:00 PM
You're not missing much. Bendis went cheapo and said found a buncha people that are descended from previous heros, Dr. Druid, the original Ghost Rider guy from the old west, etc etc, and said "HEY! YOU'VE ALL GOT POWERS" and Nick Fury trained them to save the day as his new Howling Commandos. But what can you expect from a guy who creates a heroine who's origin is quite similar to MADCAP of all people.
Monkeys would be cool... by loodabagel	Sep 11th, 2008 04:30:03 PM
I could sell their sorry asses to science, then I could buy tons of comics. But yeah, right now, I've narrowed it down to All-Star Superman, Daredevil, The Twelve and anything Brian K Vaughan touches.
And I tradewait on Ex Machina... by loodabagel	Sep 11th, 2008 04:34:05 PM
Because only very recently have I been able to buy single issues. And do I want my bookshelf to look like it's missing something? Hell no. So I'm actually kind of grateful for the ungodly wait between issues and trades on that book. I should have some more bread in my pocket when it eventually comes out. And yeah, comics never will get cheaper, but they should. Does Joe Quesada really need to gold plate his dick every single week?
Looda by WarpedElements	Sep 11th, 2008 04:37:17 PM
No love for the Kirkman created heroes at Image? Invincible and Brit and the like are enjoyable reads pertaining to the superhero genre. Course, I always wait for the trades for those too.
Good vs. Evil by Mr.FTW	Sep 11th, 2008 04:41:19 PM
It's a pendulum, it swings back and forth. We live in a completely blurred grey world just flip on any news program, sometimes its nice to see things clearly in black and white. We started out with squeeky clean good guys and down and dirty bad guys and then when things like the Watchmen and Dark Knight came out and people clamored to it. But there comes a point when it swings back the other way and after events like Identity Crisis people want to see their good guys be good guys again. Just because the good guys like Superman have a distinct moral code they stand on doesn't mean they have to be boring, that all depends on the writer and their skill. Just like Optimus Douche's Lex example, Lex may think he is in the right and a good write might make you believe he is but at the end of the day he'd be willing to kill millions of people to achieve his goals and that makes him an evil bastard. It's clear what side of the line he falls on but boring it is not. Chracters can have flaws but they don't have to be broken like DC's asshole, paranoid Batman of the last few years. People just get tired of that, I know I do. They are called Superheroes not broken, miserbly flawed, moraly ambiguos guys. The capes and tights don't always have to be right or even make the right decisions but even when they are wrong or make mistakes it's nice to know where their motivations were coming from. Again that falls to the skills of a writer. As time passes it will swing back and you'll get plenty of moody, pissy, morally ambiguous characters that are just that character neither hero or villian. If that is what you like that is great you've got plenty to read from Frank Miller, Alan Moore, Max and Vertigo titles but don't insult people who like something different.
Ah! I forgot about Kirkman... by loodabagel	Sep 11th, 2008 04:51:05 PM
Unfortunately, I've only ever read The Walking Dead (still planning on picking up that next trade) and now isn't the time to get into new stuff. One of these days, I tell myself. Invincible shall be read. BE it 10 years, 20 years, 30 years...
Late responses... by Ambush Bug	Sep 11th, 2008 08:26:00 PM
Bango, Gargoyle's role in THE INITIATIVE is purely cameo. He often appears in group shots, but I have a feeling that Slott has a warm place in his heart for the Defenders because of the inclusion of Hellcat, Gargoyle, and even the reimagining of Cloud in the first 12 issues of the INITIATIVE. Here's hoping Slott will give Gargoyle a line or maybe even a subplot sometime soon. And even though he is a Guru of Awesomeness, I have to disagree with Buzz. My Defenders will always be Nighthawk, Valkyrie, Son of Satan, Hellcat, Gargoyle and Devil-Slayer. I was first introduced to the book when they were starring in the book. It's been proven time and time again that pairing Hulk, Strange, and Namor together is boring as hell without these characters cleaning up their messes. And Homer, give EL DIABLO a try. It's got a GHOST RIDER feel to it. And I have no problems with the writer choosing to write the character as hispanic. He's not your typical gangbanger, but not overly sentimental either. Winick would have written him with a gay sidekick and a horse with Herpes. Then he would have scrunched in some random kinky sex scenes for good measure. There's none of that here. EL DIABLO has more of an authentic western feel where an outlaw is forced to be a hero.
tradewaiting by steverodgers	Sep 11th, 2008 10:01:45 PM
i find myself doing that on tons of comics these days - and then forget that was my plan and never get them. not sure what that says... but my monthly title count is dwindling rapidly. captain a and walking dead i can't stop myself from buying every month, while fables,ex machina, criminal, iron fist, and goon are always worth the wait.
Lood by Joenathan	Sep 12th, 2008 10:31:12 AM
I am with you on the Twelve. Great book. Same with Daredevil. You should be reading Cap. You what sucks? I just finished the second issue of Squadron Supreme by Chaykin... P to the motherfucking U! It is rancid. Ugh. I was excited for the title too.
Lood 2 by Joenathan	Sep 12th, 2008 10:33:14 AM
"Does Joe Quesada really need to gold plate his dick every single week?" First off, yes, because too much friction rubs that shit off quick. Secondly: Wouldn't you, if you had the oppurtunity? Thirdly: ...Ah... I don't think he's the one setting the price points, but whatever...
FTW by Joenathan	Sep 12th, 2008 10:50:39 AM
I'm not talking about "good" characters or "evil" characters or even shades of gray. Pay attention. I'm talking about 2 dimensional characters with no humanity, no conflict and no character. That doesn't mean that I want Superman painted in shades of gray. I don't. He's a good person raised by good people, thats why he does what he does. His adoption of this planet despite his extremely alien roots works, it makes since, the fact that he is good isn't a problem or a bad thing, like I said: See All Star Superman. The problem I'm talking about is: when you have a guy who's parents are murdered before his eyes and he goes soooo crazy that he decides that the best thing to do is to dress up as a bat and fight crime, he is NOT a smiling "stay off drugs, kids" type superhero. It doesn't work. Its dumb. If you shoehorn him in as one, the character goes flat. Why? Because that horrible moment defines him and determines who is and will be, if you ignore that in favor for Rainbow Batman, then you are ignoring the character. Now, don't mistake flaws and humanity and character for grim and gritty, they aren't the same thing. Flaws, humanity, character these things are the bricks with which to build real, relatable, interesting, three-dimensional characters instead of flat, boring, parade-waving, smiling cardboard cut-outs being "Good American Citizens! Huzzah!" Good characters make for good stories. Bad characters make for inane four color fisticuffs without consequence and I have zero problem with stating that if you prefer comics and their characters to be written so poorly, in my opinion you have bad taste.
Pull lists by Joenathan	Sep 12th, 2008 11:09:05 AM
Whats everyone getting? I'm getting: Ultimate Spider-man Ultimate Fantastic Four (maybe not for much longer though.) Ultimate Origins Powers Walking Dead Iron Fist (might be dropped soon) Thunderbolts (ditto) Astonishing X-Men (also somehow leaning toward the chopping block) Daredevil Captain America Squadron Supreme (I’ll glance at the third, but probably not get it.) Captain Britain and M-I13 (wavering due to apathy) The Twelve Buffy Wolverine: Old Man Logan 1985 Kickass Fantastic Four War Heroes Secret Invasion Mighty Avengers New Avengers Iron Man: D.O.S. Invincible Iron Man Blue Monday (is that even still being published) Strangetown (ditto) DMZ Final Crisis Planetary (if the last one ever comes out) All Star Superman (ditto) Mouse Guard I think that’s it… maybe… I feel like I forgetting something…
Joe/Pull List by steverodgers	Sep 12th, 2008 11:19:56 AM
holy shit! I wish i could pick up that many comics a month. that is great. maybe it's age or the ease of storage, or amazon discount, or just going nuts once a year at comic-con in the 40/50 percent off trade bins - but i think i am now officially a trade guy. that said nothing beats a monthly/weekly fix of new comics. i salute your list sir!
thanks by Joenathan	Sep 12th, 2008 12:01:03 PM
Yeah, I was surprised by the length, because I usually have like 4 or 5 for three weeks and then 1 big weeks. It swells and shrinks as creators come and go. Right now, I think I'm just riding a popular creator wave. A few years ago Bendis and Millar and Ellis probably only did like 6 books all together, now... sheesh... Oh well. It is a lot, though, looking at it. My thing is every six months or so, I turn around and sell 90% of it back to my comic shop as the guy does the convention circuit and says current stuff sells best at the dealer tables. He gives me a fairish price, usually about $100-ish or so for a 1-2 foot tall stack of comics and then I turn around and use that to buy more. When I'm thinking about starting a new series, I also usually start with the first couple of trades before I go monthly. Yeah, I'm a big fan of wednesdays.
Joe re: Planetary by The Heathen	Sep 12th, 2008 12:38:15 PM
I believe it came out last year sometime. I'm not sure though. I have the first Absolute edition and I'm waiting for the second for bookshelf consistency I suppose.
I think there is one more Planetary by Joenathan	Sep 12th, 2008 12:54:56 PM
The last one ended with them heading into the bleed and I read that there's supposed to be one more. #26, I think.
Oh wait... by loodabagel	Sep 12th, 2008 02:06:57 PM
Okay, I also pick up Kick-Ass, and Ultimate Spider-Man and Runaways are being mailed to my old address and I should be able to catch up on those come December. So that's... 6 comics. Not bad.
I forgot... by Joenathan	Sep 12th, 2008 02:23:51 PM
NewUniversal. I knew there was something.
Joenathan, re: Blue Monday/Strangetown by vroom socko	Sep 12th, 2008 04:20:20 PM
The last I'd heard, Strangetown is going to be coming out as a straight-to-TPB release. As for Blue Monday, word is that there's a new mini coming out in November.
Joen by BangoSkank	Sep 13th, 2008 09:42:53 AM
All-Star Batman - Yeah, that's right, I read it. And enjoy it. So there. All Star Superman - Never been a DC guy, much less a Supes fan. This shit is quality though. Astonishing X-men - trying to adjust to the change in writing/art..... Avengers / Invaders - so-so, will see if I stick with it after a three month hiatus Dark Tower - Tower Junkie all the way Fantastic Four - Only reading 'cause it relates to Millar's little Marvel-world Kick-Ass - enjoying, but no blown-over Marvel 1985 - fun, but not moving as quickly as I'd like Mighty Avengers - Fun stuff New Avengers - Loved since the beginning Planetary - One of the greatest books ever put out. When it's put out Secret Invasion - Enjoying The Stand - Looking forward to Uncanny X-men - The one comic I can't give up no matter the quality, though am enjoying Wolverine - LOVING the new storyline Wolverine Origins - Just picked up because of the Legacy crossover X-Factor - Great stuff X-Force - Been enjoying since return X-men Legacy - On the chopping block I've probably cut at least ten books a month in the last six months..... as you can see I am (and have always been) a X-men / Avengers guy......
Before I went poor... by loodabagel	Sep 13th, 2008 03:56:24 PM
My pull list was pretty similar to Joenathan's, Astonishing X-Men Ultimate Spider-Man All-Star Supderman Runaways NewUniversal Daredevil Kick-Ass Criminal The Twelve Fantastic Four Ultimate Origins Hellboy: The Crooked Man (actually, I might as well finish this mini. Fuck eating. Final Crisis Buffy Young Liars Batman Secret Invasion Teen Titans Final Crisis-No, that was actually dropped pre-money woes. I dig me some Grant Morrison, but I had no idea what was going on.
What I've dropped in the last year.... by BangoSkank	Sep 13th, 2008 04:17:32 PM
I dropped all my Ultimate stuff, one at a time, over the last couple of years.... I trade-wait for the walking dead now. Dropped Daredevil some time ago, same with Fables and Powers, when I realized I just didn't give a shit anymore. For as much as I loved the old/new Squadron Supreme, they lost me during the Ultimate's crossover, and I read the first issue of the new series and didn't care for it at all. Also tried the first issue of War Hereos, and just didn't dig it enough to add it to my pull-list.... I read the first six issues of Buffy, and although I liked it, I didn't love it enough to keep going with it...
No Goon? by steverodgers	Sep 13th, 2008 05:24:26 PM
Add it to the list guys - its fantastic.
Goon by Joenathan	Sep 15th, 2008 08:54:12 AM
I've only heard good things, I think I'm just looking for the right place to jump in. I dropped Fables too, I kind of wish I hadn't but at the same time, I had definitely lost interest. Maybe I'll pick up the next trade. I think Ulimate Spider-man is consistantly one of the best superhero reads being put out today
Cancel existence! by loodabagel	Sep 16th, 2008 02:14:08 PM
All-Star Superman 12 comes out tomorrow. Cancel the existence of everything else.

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