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Where are my reviews! by loodabagel	Aug 27th, 2008 08:54:11 AM
First, I guess.
reviews! by brassai2003	Aug 27th, 2008 09:18:31 AM
c'mon @$$holes!!! I need you on weds morning like coffee! There's plenty out there last week! Reviews! Reviews!
It was comforting to have Kevin Conroy back in Gotham Knights. by rbatty024	Aug 27th, 2008 09:33:37 AM
That was a really interesting movie. Granted, the first two stories sucked, but the last three or so really knocked it out of the park. It is awfully strange that some of the most interesting work in American animation is being done by WB and DC for their direct to video films.
so... wait... by Joenathan	Aug 27th, 2008 09:36:15 AM
so, your usually one week late reviews are now going to be... TWO weeks late? hmmm...
no reviews? by steverodgers	Aug 27th, 2008 09:37:28 AM
my wed. work day productivity just jumped about 100 percent.
Oh yeah? They retconned unmasking Spidey by V'Shael	Aug 27th, 2008 10:15:36 AM
pretty fucking quickly. And anyone who doesn't see Cap coming back in time for the movie, is an idiot. Honestly, why does anyone talk to these industry assholes?
Crap...just so we're clear... by superhero	Aug 27th, 2008 10:49:55 AM
Everyone was asking questions during the WW interview. It wasn't just me. Those are everyone's questions. Just want everyone to know I'm not trying to steal anyone's thunder!
"We still unmask Spider-Man" by James Westfall	Aug 27th, 2008 10:55:07 AM
Brevoort, you fucking tool.
Kevin Conroy is Batman. by DuncanHines	Aug 27th, 2008 11:06:09 AM
I still haven't seen Gotham Knights, but I'm looking forward to it just to hear Kevin Conroy as Batman again. I couldn't sit through New Frontier, mainly because of Batman's voice. Well, also because I really love the source material, and I always hate "direct" adaptations...
Also, reviews??? by DuncanHines	Aug 27th, 2008 11:09:49 AM
Last time there was no reviews on a Wednesday (the Christmas wishlist episode), I threw a small hissy fit on here. Enough that one of the admins had to tell me to calm down a bit... :) But, dudes, @$$holes, we really do love to read your reviews. I work overnights and some mornings stay up until the new AICN comics article comes up. (Well... and to try and get first post and not label the subject "First"...
jann jones, editor from mars by ironic_name	Aug 27th, 2008 11:16:31 AM
she, max screck and bob wayne were hired solely for their names.
Apologies, guys... by Ambush Bug	Aug 27th, 2008 11:34:56 AM
Again, we (wll, mostly I) had a chaotic week this week, but fear not we'll be back next week with our regular reviews. 51 out of 52 weeks in a row is a pretty good track record. So don't give us to much flack for taking a week to take care of business offsite. In the meantime, there's some cool stuff up there to gab about. What about the new plans for turning the Marvel Universe into Alien Nation? Or Jann Jones new Supergirl comic, what are you guys thinking of this new kid revolution at DC? Or how about the new Wonder Woman cartoon? I'm really interesting in seeing if they can make her as interesting as they did with the Batman and Superman cartoons. Again, apologies, next week we'll play catch up with two weeks full of reviews. It looks to be a massive column, so we'll definitely make up for lost time then.
FInal Crisis Vs. Secret Invasion by LaserPants	Aug 27th, 2008 11:52:15 AM
I'm enjoying both, but Secret Invasion's simplicity -- its just a space war, after all -- is more satisfying as a comic. Final Crisis is actually quite confusing (I've had to read the first 2 issues of the main book twice each before I "got it," perhaps because I'm not as well versed in DCU lore and only read a couple of Countdown related products and services before grabbing up Final Crisis) and complex whereas Secret Invasion is more straight forward and visceral. I'm enjoying both, but am more entertained by SI. Thoughts? OPinions? Flames?
Laser Final Crisis by optimous_douche	Aug 27th, 2008 12:01:13 PM
fear not my man, you missed nothing by not reading the titles leading up to FC. That's actually been one of the books problems: trying to step out of the mishandling of continuity established by the ancillary one-offs and build ups. I was hard on FC in my review of issue 1(sorta)and I was just pissed off by issue 2. Issue 3 though....now things are becoming clear.
Bug. Always coming through. by DuncanHines	Aug 27th, 2008 12:08:45 PM
As for DC's Kids' line... I love that they gave Art and Franco that Tiny Titans book. I've met those dudes at a bunch of conventions, and they're genuinely cool dudes, and they deserve it. And I REALLY LOVE that new SHAZAM book. Definitely in my top 5 for the year. Mike Kunkel is fucking amazing, and this book is the perfect way to continue handling those characters. Especially after Jeff Smith's take.
problem with young heroes in DC by lex romero	Aug 27th, 2008 12:09:01 PM
is that the majority of them are just young versions of established superheroes. "Legacy heroes" as they're called in some of the comics. Which completely turns me off most of them, I want new and original young superheroes, not just teenage knock offs of classic heroes. That's one of the reasons marvel does teen heroes much better. Wonder Woman cartoon might be interesting, I'm most curious about them trying to adapt it to film, because imo WW doesn't have much of a place in the superhero world. She just doesn't seem to fit, what's her role? Why does she do it? It's like Whedon said when trying to write a script for a WW film, there are no classic WW story arcs, no classic origins story, no classic motivation. Someone at DC needs to figure out what she's for.
I like SI better than FC by Joenathan	Aug 27th, 2008 12:26:02 PM
BUT I'm generally more Marvel than DC anyway. That being said, I really like FC#3, especially the ending. I think its really starting to gel, but I didn't really have a problem "getting" #1 and 2. What I like most about SI though, is the reprecussions the big events have. Lately I've really enjoyed how Marvel's events have actually changed the landscape of their world. I like how the characters have to adapt to the new status quo, so I'm excited to see where this leads. Do the Skrulls stay? Will the World end up taking a more aggressive stance in the cosmos? They're certainly powerful enough. I'm excited about the possibility. Plus, I'm really looking forward to Iron Man, Thor and Bucky/Cap kicking ass.
"Bucky/Cap kicking ass" by steverodgers	Aug 27th, 2008 12:55:42 PM
I love Bucky/Cap and his Nazi thumping tin can arm. Brubaker knocked that character out of the park... although it's a shame that old Nomad had to die.
Are you guys going to review..... by Crackles	Aug 27th, 2008 01:00:06 PM
Stephen King's N.? That would be really fucking awesome!! Check it out talkbackers at nishere.com!!! You won't regret it!!
Shoot the messenger . . . by Olsen Twins_Fan	Aug 27th, 2008 01:11:28 PM
and then myself if I actually read all that hoo-ha.
Secret Invasion by Continentalop	Aug 27th, 2008 01:13:33 PM
I haven't read comics on a regular basis for over a decade, but when I did I was a complete Marvel Zombie. So I am wondering why the Skrulls, a race of shape-shifters, would resort to an ad campaign such as this to help them take over earth. I mean, wouldn't it be easier for them to get humanity to accept them and what they have to offer if they took the forms of regular humans, or better yet took the form of beautiful human beings. I mean, at least the reptilian aliens from V disguised themselves to look human.
Bucky/Cap and the Skrulls by Joenathan	Aug 27th, 2008 01:23:44 PM
I agree, Steve, Brubaker is doing amazing fun stuff on Cap. On Daredevil too. I was sad to see Nomad go as well, but some of the costumes he had... a part of me thinks he might have deserved it... Anyway, the ad campaign is just propaganda to ease the transition since they've already taken over most of the world and besides, if they hide who they are by pretending to be beautiful people, then some do-gooder could expose them and destroy any trust they may have built up.
Yes, Captain America is the bomb! by Homer Sexual	Aug 27th, 2008 01:31:03 PM
Best two comics last week: Captain America and Incredible Herc. I also like SI better than FC. Almost love SI, except that there are no major skrulls. Hank Pym,Jarvis, Jessica Drew...not so major....despite my longtime love for jessica drew.
Nomad by steverodgers	Aug 27th, 2008 01:40:43 PM
Maybe your right Joe, the man had no fashion sense and you just can’t let that kind of thing go unpunished. I think perhaps his worst outfit was the one that had a baby attached to his back, it just never seemed really safe to me. Although let’s face it that giant 'N' belt was all kinds of awesome.
Don't you mean: by Joenathan	Aug 27th, 2008 01:43:14 PM
No major skrulls EXCEPT for the attempt with all the major ones on the ship, right? I mean, they tried, but they failed. Also, despite my dislike for Hank Pym... honestly, isn't he a MAJOR reveal... the guy is a founding Avenger, after all. AND Jessica has been pretty big the last few years, as well, so her reveal was also big time, right? Sure, sure, its no Tony Stark reveal (which I'm very glad they didn't do) but come on, you have to take the multi-media corporation reality of these characters into consideration with a critism like that. The fact remains that major surprises like that just aren't going to happen. The writer's hands are tied because of marketing, movies, blah, blah, blah. I don't think its fair to call them out over it, you work with what you have.
Nomad by Joenathan	Aug 27th, 2008 01:44:33 PM
For me, it was the purple and yellow V-neck outfit with the cape... what the hell, dude? Where do you buy a ginat "N" belt buckle and NOT get remembered for it?
Nomad by steverodgers	Aug 27th, 2008 02:01:51 PM
That’s the best part about that belt- that sucker was homemade! He had to like forge that thing and then paint it canary yellow. Just great. Also yellow cape and V neck costume, just a total train wreck – but didn’t it have the Kirby discs that he would periodically bounce off an AIM agent? I think that shows that although Nomad couldn't design a costume to save his life, that he was one hero that sure knew how to accessorize.
those discs were pretty cool... by Joenathan	Aug 27th, 2008 02:15:10 PM
He used them like mini versions of Cap's shield. I wonder if they hurt though or do you think it was more like getting clunked in the head with a pair of mini frisbees? THUNK! "Ow!" THUNK! "Ow!" "Ha-HA!" " Damn you, Nomad... that frickin' hurt! I'm totally gonna have a bruise now." Didn't he use a shotgun when he was dressed as Bon Jovi? Was that his "gritty" phase?
shotguns and mini-frisbees = gritty as hell by steverodgers	Aug 27th, 2008 02:35:57 PM
That would definitely be his “gritty” phase. I can’t remember if he ever actually shot someone with that shotgun, or if he was just tired of people making fun of his incredibly awesome but wildly ineffectual yellow mini-frisbees. That was also the phase when he had the child on his back who he kidnapped and named, “Bucky” and if I remember correctly intervened in the LA riots. You know, it’s entirely possible that Fabian Nicieza was completely and utterly out of his mind on drugs when he wrote that comic.
The kid wore a mask too... by Joenathan	Aug 27th, 2008 03:27:03 PM
While Nomad wore wrap-around shades... ugh. Man... sometimes comics make it so hard to defend them...
the mask! by steverodgers	Aug 27th, 2008 04:18:46 PM
hard to defend sure - but its also whats makes them so just retardedly awesome. i also forgot the kid had a mask... madness. Again i think it has to be said that clearly Nicieza was writing that comic from the comfort of a sweat lodge, loaded up on a bag of peyote and a 1,000 pack of PBR.
you see what happens by steverodgers	Aug 27th, 2008 04:21:47 PM
when there are no reviews? it becomes all Nomad all the time!
"Why is that baby wearing a mask?" by Joenathan	Aug 27th, 2008 04:52:22 PM
"Well... ah... because... see... ummm...because he's a superhero... baby. He needs to protect his secret identity."
"superhero... baby" by steverodgers	Aug 27th, 2008 05:10:29 PM
The worst part is that not only is the baby wearing a mask because he is a superhero baby, but I’m thinking it's because Nomad KIDNAPPED the baby and he didn't want anyone to notice that the kid on the milk carton is also the one riding around on the back of the guy in the bon-jovi outfit, with wrap-around shades, frisbees, a shotgun, and a giant yellow 'N' on his belt.... again not sure if this proves that comics are awesome or stupid... I say awesome but I completely understand how people could think otherwise
Secret Identities by FabianNicieza	Aug 27th, 2008 08:35:35 PM
I swear to you, the mask and costume were NOT my idea. Mad-genius artist James Fry, who drew the original limited series, put the baby in the costume and YES, his exact reason for giving her the mask was to "protect her secret identity, of course." I was not in a sweat lodge. I was not on peyote. I was just writing the adventures of a troubled young man trying to understand this mad world who just happened to have a kidnapped baby for a sidekick. Now go read Trinity and Robin! -- fabian
Fabian! by steverodgers	Aug 27th, 2008 09:26:38 PM
Thanks for joining the talkback and illuminating the choices that you and James Fry made during your time on Nomad. I am sorry for speculating that you were making these choices in some sweat and hallucinogenic-induced writing frenzy, when clearly you were soberly plotting a great American story of redemption, hope and the outfitting of stolen children with fabulous superhero costumes. All I can say is that if you keep writing them, I will keep buying them!
fabian! cool! by zombieslayer	Aug 27th, 2008 10:21:02 PM
so uh, should i be okay with someone else writing the new deadpool? where's my Bob, Agent of HYDRA comics?!?
SI: tie-ins by maxwell's hammer	Aug 28th, 2008 12:01:08 AM
Okay, so I just read the two main Avengers books, which are tie-ins to Secret Invasion, and they're both pretty brilliant. Say what you will about having disrupted any type of ongoing story while they play flash-back and fill-in, but i enjoyed the hell out of both issues. Very clever stuff.
love you Fabes! by maxwell's hammer	Aug 28th, 2008 12:03:42 AM
If you're not writing Deadpool, its not really Deadpool. That new book will be about as relevant as Wolverine: Origins. Its almost like their being written by the same guy.
I've asked randy green how to pronounce bachalo and maduriera.. by ironic_name	Aug 28th, 2008 01:36:14 AM
so I gotta ask, how do I pronounce Nicieza? [ don't say sink-oh-vitch ]
great run.. by saddael	Aug 28th, 2008 07:35:08 AM
on new warriors fabian. thats the series that really got me into comics. it makes me cry, looking at what marvel did to them.
Was that really Fabian? by Joenathan	Aug 28th, 2008 09:28:22 AM
Thats random. When I was a small fry and did not live near a comic shop, I had to do the old Marvel subscription service. This was so long ago that for a while they still came in the brown paper sleeve when they were delivered (Damn you, Mother Nature!) Anyway, I started with X-men with the Fall of the Mutants and eventually when I was able to squeeze the parents for a second title, it was New Warriors. I don't remember the characters name, but the story arc where Night Thrasher's Vietnamese nanny tried to destroy the world was awesome. That was a good series. Although, I like what happened to them. A. because the reality show idea was bad. B. they had become a little worn and needed a shake up.
yeah... by saddael	Aug 28th, 2008 10:22:51 AM
i'm being a bit of a fanboy i guess, but i didnae like the reality show idea, and then with that whole stamford thing it was like they were suddenly the loser patrol, even though they were fairly big league when fabian used to write them. oh well, at least nova's still kicking arse. oh and i think the characters name was tai or chord, the other one was his mate
I think you're right by Joenathan	Aug 28th, 2008 10:37:38 AM
Chord (Cord?) was his bald mentor and Tai (Mai?) was the creepy dragon nanny world destroyer. The best part was other characters reactions to the reveal that it was Night Thrasher's nanny.... it was funny. I kind of like the loser patrol/Stamford thing. Thats an automatic redemption storyline right there. Someone good could really have some fun with that.
yeah by saddael	Aug 28th, 2008 10:44:56 AM
ive not really touched apon the new series, but didn't most of them die. although i quite like how they've handled speedball
yeah by saddael	Aug 28th, 2008 10:57:16 AM
i do like yeah as a subject line.
Just to clarify... by Abin Sur	Aug 28th, 2008 12:18:05 PM
Green Lantern comes out NEXT Wednesday. Dammit.
abin sur by saddael	Aug 28th, 2008 06:00:14 PM
i thought you were dead!( honk)
(sigh) by saddael	Aug 28th, 2008 06:01:47 PM
don't worry sad little saddael, someone will discuss comics with you one day.
i know! by saddael	Aug 28th, 2008 06:03:07 PM
Whedon, Moore, Brubaker, Wiseman are all shit! ha ha!
so by saddael	Aug 28th, 2008 06:11:49 PM
final crisis or secret invasion saddael? hmm, i dunno, i'm a TPB whore so i really couldn't say. oh well... i guess thats that
wait - that was really fabian!? by steverodgers	Aug 28th, 2008 06:16:46 PM
I apologize for being snarky. I loved your New Warriors and also hate what has happened to them and for all the joshing, i'm pretty sure i bought the entire Nomad run when i was a kid and loved every issue. Thanks for writing great comics!
also by steverodgers	Aug 28th, 2008 06:23:33 PM
i miss the old Speedball. I can't bring myself to see what he is up to these days in his hate myself get-up. So maybe it's good - but i loved him in New Warriors (which i also got in brown mailers from marvel)and loved the Ditko goodness of his orignal series.
hurrah! by saddael	Aug 28th, 2008 06:30:25 PM
i was initially sceptical about penance, but i quite like how hes being evolved, and i like the way (as was implied in latter issues of NW) hes actually incredibly powerful
penance by steverodgers	Aug 28th, 2008 07:39:53 PM
well i can give it a shot. everyone says the new thunderbolts is pretty awesome and maybe it's time i picked that up too. that said - i genuinely really like speedball and have nothing but fond memories of him so it's hard to see him all self-loathing in millitant torture garb.
steverodgers... by DuncanDisorderly	Aug 29th, 2008 02:49:01 AM
It's highly likely it is Fabian Nicieza posting on here, he pops up from time to time on the CBR and Newsarama forums too.
fabian by steverodgers	Aug 29th, 2008 08:04:10 AM
sorry again for being snarky and thanks for coming out and chatting in the talkbacks - just a really cool thing to do. i will pick up Robin on the next visit to the shop!
steve by Joenathan	Aug 29th, 2008 11:05:14 AM
If you pick up Thundebolts, make sure you start at the beginning of Ellis's run. Its amazing. He makes Jack Flag and American Eagle cool.
Joe by steverodgers	Aug 30th, 2008 08:28:39 AM
Going to order it from Amazon today!

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