I could have done without the escaping in a fridge part but the image of Indy beholding the atomic blast was a fairly powerful one that stays with me from the film moreso than any cheap 'jump the shark' offspring catchphrase

BECAUSE IT'S FUCKING SHIT!!!!

If Cameron's Avatar ends up sucking, cinema as we know it will be UTTERLY turned on its head and all bets will be off for the forseeable future.

So they went to see Indy 4 with that as their goal. Nuked Fridge? ZOMG I MADE A MEME! WOOO HOOO!!

Nevermind that the initial blast of air could feasibly launch him and fridge away from the fireball before it got there - but more importantly, I as an Indy fan, watched the guy who survived jumping from an airplane in a rubber liferaft emerge from a fridge that just flew about 1000 yards at aboute 150 miles per hour or more. And I said, "wow that guy's awesome."

These same talkbackers were just snot nosed little children when Last Crusade was out, but if they were actual grown-ups then, they would have been trying to turn the scene where Indy's hat curiously blows back to him after he's survived a tank-over-a-cliff scene into some kind of cynical meme. "OMG MAGIC HAT! THIS MOVIE BLOWS!"

They're losers looking to get internet-fame. nothing more.

To put things into perspective, I think WAR OF THE WORLDS is even worse than INDY 4. I also didn't care for JURASSIC PARK. Good SFX, lousy story.

Until I actually saw the movie.

but the fridge scene doesn't bother me at all.

now THAT would have made for a good monguf or mongoose or what ever the hell Lucas calls his artifacts.

seriosuly, fuck this Indiana jones halloween dress up party.

Anyway, my point is that everyone who is bitching about the nuked fridge in KOTCS doesn't get the Indy movies, or KOTCS was the 1st Indy movie this person saw.

On topic, this 39 Clues thing sounds like a Cash-in job for Spielberg. The dude is hanging out with Lucas too much.

If you people were actually paying attention during that sequence, and not bitching about the "rocket train" or whatever else, you would've realized that the nuke that exploded was at least a couple of miles from "Nuclear City" or whatever the name is. There is a very clear shot in the movie establishing this fact.

The whole test was similar to what the US Army did back in the 40s to test the effects of a nuclear blast close to populated area. You've seen all the classic video of the houses being blown away by the blast of wind, no the explosion itself.

It's like 15 seconds of a 2 hour film. Bitching constantly about 15 seconds is not a valid critique in my book. Same goes for the mine cart chase, the plane jump, the horseback Indy beating a tank, the Indy meeting Hitler and getting an autograph etc.

And don't get me wrong, I'm not one of those who apologize everything about KOTCS, but I still had fun at the cinema watching it.

P.S. The Amazon doesn't have 'natural roads' on which Indiana Jones can drive, next to cliffs, with vines that can be swung on 'hanging around' at leisure. Either he thinks I'm an idiot, which makes him one, or he doesn't think about me at all, which makes him an idiot. I don't want to believe he's an idiot, but why shouldn't I?

KOTCSF had some pretty lame use of computer generated visuals. Besides consider how old school RAMBO was and how effectively CG was used in that film, and how forgiving we are towrads them for their sheer character and intergration - Spielbergo and lucas really screwed us...

to be fair to the fans, they have every right to feel screwed over, not just with the film itself, but with the BULLSHIT fed to us during the films production

stuff like "shot like the old films" "script comparable to raiders" "Practical special effects over cgi" "cut on a steambeck" - bullshit, this thing was so digital there's absolutely no reason to believe they'd have it re-scanned to film to have it physically cut.

Overall. Not good enough to defend, not bad enough to really hate. Just Meh. Which is probably the worst thing an Indy film can be.

So, again, assuming the atomic test town is a proper distance from ground zero (and one should assume it must be, it was built to see what could survive a blast, any numbnuts would know nothing would remain if it were too close to initial blast point), and Indy being inside a lead-lined fridge, radiation poisoning posed no substantial hazard to Indy. It's the blast and heat that would have killed him, and being inside a sturdy thermally insulated 50's steel refrigerator, Indy very well could have survived, assuming that the initial shockwave of the blast does indeed propel him through the sky and still further from the initial effects of the bomb.

So that's the real empirical question, would the bomb have propelled the fridge through the sky like it did in the movie? I'd think not, but at that point, you have to remember you're watching an Indiana Jones movie...

There'll be a quiz later, poetic.

Debate the plausibility as you will, but in the end, whether Indy could have survived the nuked fridge or not is a moot point. The point is he survived it. He's Indy, one badass mofo whose been through a helluva lot of shit and who, even at 65, throws one helluva punch. Indy is a superhero. He doesn't wear tights or a cape. He’s got a fedora, a leather jacket, and a bullwhip, and sometimes a gun. He’s educated and improvisational. As I posted previously, these movies are exercises in imagination. Some of you analyze them as though they are an essay on the human condition and they’re just not. Indy films are comic book movies, they're serialistic, which allows for a variety of adventures, some over the top, some more rooted in reality, but ultimately all of them stem from the imagination. Good for Lucas. Good for Spielberg. Maybe it's not what you would have come up with for Indy, but since when is Indy your property? Same goes for the Star Wars films. Don't get me wrong, KOTCS was not a good movie IMO (though I did think it was fun – there’s a difference), but if you feel some great injustice has been done, that's on you, not the filmmakers. They just do what they want to do and have no obligation beyond that. If they said one thing and delivered another, that's still not an injustice. For all they knew they did have something on par with Raiders. It's simply their view against yours.