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by medicatedmonkeyDUDE
Jun 19th, 2008
10:26:43 AM
Life on splugghh heyyyooo
Sam was not a better cop in the UK show
by photoboy
Jun 19th, 2008
10:31:37 AM
Sam needed Gene Hunt's gut instincts and ability to get the job done just as much as Gene needed Sam's discipline and adherence to the rules. They were two halves of a good cop, rather than either of them being the better cop.
Gene was neutered in the pilot
by Kurg1
Jun 19th, 2008
10:44:04 AM
Colm Meaney is a great piece of casting but it felt like he had been told to reel it back in a bit. If they don't have the balls to show Gene as a chain smoking, borderline alcoholic chauvinist then the entire premise of the show won't work. There were ash trays but I don't recall an entire person actually smoking in the entire episode. To work it needs to be a period piece and cop shows in both the US and UK back in the early 70s had air so thick with smoke you you could cut chunks out of it.
Also in terms of setting, NY may be a better idea but why not De
by Kurg1
Jun 19th, 2008
10:45:41 AM
This guy also invented Ally McBeal?
by MisterE
Jun 19th, 2008
10:52:03 AM
No thanks.
Should be on cable
by aversiontherapy2
Jun 19th, 2008
10:52:42 AM
Network tv neuters a project like this in the US. I'd be willing to give this a chance but it doesn't sound like they've done a very good job of it. The original show is one of the best series ever, tranposing the setting to 70s NYC, with its equivalent pre-P.C. facets, could have worked if the producers were smart enough.
This is all over the bittorrents.
by Grando
Jun 19th, 2008
10:57:28 AM
I'll give it a once over, but it sounds like the diet coke version of Life on Mars. Shoulda been on cable....
Why?
by Shan
Jun 19th, 2008
11:03:07 AM
Why Why Why Why Why Why?
This talkback
by IronSpidey
Jun 19th, 2008
11:03:54 AM
Makes me miss Journeyman
Low expectations for the US version
by Blackguard
Jun 19th, 2008
11:08:46 AM
I really had high hopes for this show but the British version just can't be beat. They crammed so much goodness in so few episodes! I'm sure the US version will have 20 episodes that will drag on and on and doubt they will end it the same as well.

Didn't NBC pass on the US "The IT crowd?" Another show that can't be duplicated.....

fuck you photoboy
by floatybrownthing
Jun 19th, 2008
11:17:11 AM
You obviously didn't watch series 2, and you obviously didn't catch the point of the show, which was a 21st century police officer in the manchester police force having to get used to how it was done in the 70's. dickhead. The politics were completely fucking different, which is where the humour comes from.
Leave photoboy alone!
by tonagan
Jun 19th, 2008
11:27:30 AM
That was a valid (if arguable)interpretation, no need to go ballistic.
And the moral of the story is....
by wowsah156
Jun 19th, 2008
11:30:28 AM
Uk shows are better written. The US networks take out all the good stuff, until its a bland show with nothing to commend it. Thank god the networks never got Spaced.....
I don't think much of the original pilot will survive...
by snowpuff
Jun 19th, 2008
11:38:05 AM
But I thought the networks already *have* Spaced?
by LordPorkington
Jun 19th, 2008
12:01:12 PM
Isn't that what all the 'McSpaced' anger was about? Has it been shelved now? Last I heard it was still going ahead. And regarding Life On Mars, there's no way it could be done again, not in the same way as the original. There's only one Gene Hunt! "Don't move! You're surrounded by armed bastards!"
Settle ...
by Shan
Jun 19th, 2008
12:12:06 PM
The impression I got is that Sam brought some things new things to how police work should be done in the 1970's (including sometimes no more than just actually adhering to the rules that did exist back then) but also he also learned that sometimes, the way Gene Hunt did things and bent the rules (sometimes out of shape) had to be done to catch the bad guys and save lives instead of being caught up on following the rules by the book all the time. So each of them brought something to the table and came out the better policemen for it.
ummmmmmmm
by Series7
Jun 19th, 2008
12:12:14 PM
American TV makes a living out of turning short run British TV shows into shows that last for multiple years.
OK, this may sound a bit weird
by RaveX
Jun 19th, 2008
12:13:21 PM
but I watched US pilot today.

after that I went and finally tracked down the original: 8 hours later I'm almost done with first series.

and yes, American pilot is almost frame-by-frame remake of original, but all if this thing fails/gets canceled after 5 episodes, at least it gave me that final push to go after UK version, which I'm loving quite a bit.

RaveX...
by LordPorkington
Jun 19th, 2008
12:22:03 PM
Well at least some good will come of the US version if it means more people discover the UK series. By the way, after you're done with the second series of Life On Mars, there's a spin-off show called 'Ashes To Ashes' also starring Gene Hunt, but set in the 80's. Not as good as Life On Mars, but still worth checking out for the Gene Genie himself! "There will never be a woman Prime Minister as long as there’s a hole in my arse!"
Aw hell...
by ejcarter9
Jun 19th, 2008
12:29:56 PM
... THIS is the opportunity to write a one-season excellent show, or in this case adaptation, and give it the beginning, middle and end that a great story deserves. This should not be given the typical 'let's run it into the ground' treatment with pointless filler episodes and years and years of airtime.
I was bored by the UK version.
by brokentusk
Jun 19th, 2008
12:34:53 PM
Really don't see what all the fuss is about, it was an absolutely terrific concept that was just mind-numbingly boring to watch. I had hopes that the US version would either increase the humour level, or the CSI-in-the-70s aspect of the show. I hope they fix the problems, because a US version could be great.
@wowsah156:
by prbt
Jun 19th, 2008
12:40:55 PM
"And the moral of the story is.... Uk shows are better written." Speaking as an English (British, whatever) person, I can tell you that's nonsense. Most UK shows are half-baked toss. The first series of LoM was a glorious exception.
Life on Mars UK version
by ThrowMeTheIdol
Jun 19th, 2008
12:51:53 PM
The first season of Life on Mars (UK version) was pretty good but not some landmark work of creativity. Mostly it was a typical cop show but there were some nice aspects of eeriness that added flavor. But the second season was a letdown: they became too nostalgic, too generous to Gene Hunt and in turn that character became more of a buffoon. Also, Annie seemed to go from slightly plump to something more than slightly. All in all it was a good series but like much of what comes out of the UK vastly over rated. The new series shouldn't treat it with two much reverence, just change what you have to in order to make it a fun show.
Now get some reviews in for "True Blood"
by CarmillaVonDoom
Jun 19th, 2008
01:20:40 PM
Do I have to send one in myself?? ☺
Fuck this dumbed down horseshit with prettier actors
by picardsucks
Jun 19th, 2008
02:08:53 PM
Love the original it is only 2 years old and they all speak English so why remake it??? How about showing it in Prime Time and see what happens. American Audiences are not quite as dumb as the vile gypsies in Hollywood think. They will watch or consume good things if they are given good things to consume. FOr a whole lotta years 60 minutes was the top rated show on TV. Though I love Kelly for the brilliant Boston Legal I hope he OD's on his pile of cocaine for raping an already brilliant show that didn't need American Pop culture references and more revisionist history from the Marxist hollywood psedu-intellectual crowd. Fuck off!!!
The US Version of Life on Mars with John and Phil ...
by Shan
Jun 19th, 2008
03:01:53 PM
Philip Glenister said in an interview (which I have in a magazine somewhere) that he and John Simm had both been asked to play the same characters in the US remake.

Both of them sensibly said no but imagine how surreal it would have been to seem them in a US pilot version of their show. Especially if the command from up high was to play it "American".

What about Coupling?
by Shan
Jun 19th, 2008
03:03:48 PM
I really enjoyed the UK show. The US Version understandably got the axe. Someone put equivalent scenes from the UK and US versions on youtube and the problems were obvious.
fringe was good
by RaveX
Jun 19th, 2008
03:09:34 PM
by no means as good as lost pilot, not even as alias.

don't get me wrong, the show itself most probably will be better then alias, but alias pilot kicked all kinds of ass, and I don't know a single person that watched it and didn't want to see next episode.

fringe, on the other hand, sets a cool premise and all, but characters are kind of bleak. pacey sucks by default and girl is trying to channel sydney bristow a wee bit too hard. the only bright spots seem to be john noble and charlotte rampling, but their characters will be more of a support once the series gets going.

and I must say how much I lol'd when, in first 5 minutes of the pilot, you have a character that declares his love for the female lead. he might have as well said "gee, I hope nothing bad happens to me soon...".

true blood pilot seems all over the place. in a good way.

we may not get next 6 feet under, but we might be getting new carnivàle/JFC instead.

I really wish pilot was a 2 episodes long. scene 29 missing or not.

i liked tru blood
by Mr_X
Jun 19th, 2008
03:20:34 PM
interesting take on vamps. rip journeyman and angel. plenty of imitiations, but nothing is better then the orginal!
A HUGE Mistake
by reaper28
Jun 19th, 2008
03:21:04 PM
I don't get it. A "middle of the road" network takes a show like Life on Mars and then removes most of the stuff that plants it in that era and they STILL expect it to work? WTF were they thinking? I can't believe HBO didn't snap this up.
its a god awful small affair
by bacci40
Jun 19th, 2008
03:31:14 PM
i think ill just rewatch the orignial brit series...thanks...
The Pilot is available on BT
by erydan
Jun 19th, 2008
03:52:00 PM
Just finished watching it. It is not completely finished. At the end the 2 main characters are standing on the edge of a roof and you can see their safety wires coming out their backs, kind of funny.
True Blood...
by Kelvington
Jun 19th, 2008
04:45:26 PM
Didn't realize it hadn't been reviewed yet. Just sent it off to Herc, maybe he will use it. Personally, I loved True Blood.
Colm Meany will lord over all your nancy-boy asses!
by Uncle Stan
Jun 19th, 2008
04:50:39 PM
Just watched it
by Xaximus
Jun 19th, 2008
05:08:29 PM
And I thought it sucked. I didn't like Jason O'Mara one tiny bit, and the story was boring as hell and completely uninspired.
UK vs US points
by jbs0209
Jun 19th, 2008
05:08:47 PM
First off, floatybrownthing clam down! photoboy had a good point. It may not have been The Point of the show, but it was certainly a sub-point.

There are a number of episodes where Gene & Sam get to the place via totally different methods, or Sam spends the entire episode proving Gene right for reasons Gene doesn't care about.

The Point, was obviously the differing police styles. The smoking, women differences were there, but they weren't the main point.

I assume the US version will suffer from the lack of clearly contrasting styles of policing. In the UK version they spend a lot of time showing you how utterly frustrating policing in the UK has become. It is a place where they would rather let people die than inconvenience a suspect. Sam keenly feels this in the pilot. This is 180* from the Gene Hunt style of policing in which Gene would rather beat something out of someone than risk an upstanding citizen's life.

US policing (see The Wire) has not gotten so anti-septic and PC that there is a sharp and unmistakable contrast in styles. To get that you'd have to go back to the 40s/50s police, before the 60's "quesiton authority" era.

And then the contrast wouldn't be between anti-septic, ineffective, PC police versus down-n-dirty, mostly effective, chauvinistic police (the UK contrast), but between bureaucratic, politicized, tech-reliant police versus society respected, LA Confidential-style police. Even then it isn't as good a contrast.

If there was any moral political message in the UK Life on Mars it was that, as photoboy says, both Sam & Gene's styles had major flaws and both halves were needed to make a full "good cop". But, Life on Mars wasn't about politics. It was entertainment. And the dramatic tension was created by the difference in those styles.

us tv is the best in the world but...
by earlfist
Jun 19th, 2008
05:13:43 PM
it can't do gritty. The restrictions on language are so set in the 1950's I am surprised that anyone over twelve watches anymore. Personally I feel Life on Mars was overrated in the way it's sequel, Ashes to ashes has been vastly underrated. Phillip Glenister is terrific and pitch perfect as Hunt, any actor who tries to play that part will be doing a Lazenby. Kelly is a fine writer but i cannot see this transferring at all. Maybe they should remake ashes instead and keeley hawes can do an american accent. Anyway in five years all tv shows all over the world will be accessible to anyone anywhere. Roll on those glorious days as the world will take a few more steps towards becoming one. Then man can create god! .... I am drunk as I write this.
Any word on if Colme Meaney will still play Hunt in the new vers
by supertoyslast
Jun 19th, 2008
05:16:51 PM
Colme Meaney is the only reason I'm interested in the US version of LoM. If he's out then my interest dies. And, from the clips I've seen, the guy playing Sam Tyler seems as dull as hell. Such a shame current reports indicate that he will keep his role.
True Blood was fun. Mars..not
by ls420
Jun 19th, 2008
05:56:46 PM
I liked it, should be a fun ride. the USA Version of Life On Mars sucked, i give it 6 episodes. they shyould of just imported the original.
picardsucks
by JackieJokeman
Jun 19th, 2008
08:01:38 PM
If you Brits are tired of us remaking your shows you can do one of two things. One- Make more than twelve episodes. Thats not even a full season of US television. Two- Shut it and take the show for what it is: A compliment.
HANDS UP, YOU'RE SURROUNDED BY ARMED BASTARDS!!!
by Lenny8
Jun 19th, 2008
09:08:05 PM
Best line in any TV show ever.
right, having now seen both of original seasons
by RaveX
Jun 19th, 2008
09:18:06 PM
I can now officially confirm that DCI Gene Hunt has been included my personal badassery hall of fame, joining the ranks of Carl Kolchak (no, sweet gods in heavens, not the stuart townsend one!), Jack Bristow ("If you tell anyone about this conversation, you will no longer be able to wear a hat"; "You beat death Arvin...but you couldn't beat me."), Bill Maxwell ("If it's trouble you're looking for, you've just come across the West Coast distributor.") and Colonel Saul Motherfrakkin' Tigh ("Which side are we on. We're on the side of the demons, Chief. We're evil men in the gardens of paradise, sent by the forces of death to spread devastation and destruction wherever we go. I'm surprised you didn't know that." and "Better have the Doctor take a look at that hand, huh?").

some other potential characters would include noah bennet, jack bauer, ben linus and everyone in the wire and deadwood.

Jokeman
by picardsucks
Jun 19th, 2008
09:20:47 PM
Not a limey sorry
damn
by RaveX
Jun 19th, 2008
09:35:42 PM
forgot Jayne Cobb...
Stayed too much to the UK version...
by Bill Clay
Jun 19th, 2008
09:57:57 PM
If this was supposed to be a retro 70's US cop show, it should be in the style of Baretta and Starsky & Hutch. Making this an American version of The Sweeney is confusing and will likely lead to a quick cancellation.
The US version is just really uninteresting
by The Outlander
Jun 19th, 2008
10:02:06 PM
None of the actors a very good and the story is almost a direct copy of the UK pilot, with minor changes and all the minor change weaken rather than strengthen the show. What is the point of doing a US remake if you aren’t going to make it recognizable as a 1970s US cop show? The only way this could work is if they used the concept of Life on Mars and made their own unique show, kind of like a sequel or companion show.
#1 US problem - The title "Life On Mars"
by Bill Clay
Jun 19th, 2008
10:31:47 PM
Bowie's song just doesn't resonate with Americans like it does with the UK fans. Most Americans will think this is a sci-fi space opera.
They should have used an iconic American 70's anthem to base the title on, that would have meaning with US audiences. Instead they just focused on making a shot-for-shot remake of the original series. And a straight remake ain't going to fly on this side of the pond, sadly.
Just watched True Blood, too
by Xaximus
Jun 19th, 2008
11:43:00 PM
It ain't no Six Feet Under, that's for sure. If SFU was a 9 or 10, True Blood is a 6 or 7. But I enjoyed it a helluva lot more than Life of Mars, and the show has potential.
It should've been on HBO...
by lynxpro
Jun 19th, 2008
11:53:51 PM
HBO could've made this series ballz-to-the-wall. Hell, even F/X could've done it slightly tamer. The setting in America should've been San Francisco, and they should've waved some serious cash at Philip Glenister just to reprise the role and try to top his original performance. That's how I would've done it.
Sounds like they forgot to translate it.
by TheHichhiker
Jun 20th, 2008
01:59:59 AM
I think several people touched on this already - it should have been an American song and American 70's cop show and American issues. The reason Office worked is because it WAS translated. Michael Scott is NOT David Brent. They may seem similar at first glance but they are very different characters heading in different directions. But copying scene for scene a show that is based on foreign culture references and that hinges on mysteries already answered is kinda silly. Same reason why "Cupid" remake is kinda silly - I mean Thomas already told us how it will end.
I think US Gene Hunt...
by Daveydje
Jun 20th, 2008
03:52:18 AM
Should ask for his balls back... I really like Colm Meaney, and thought that was a good bit of casting if Phil wouldn't do it... but they REALLY need to let him go nuts. The US version just seems so neutured.
Take a look at the lawman...
by Voice O. Reason
Jun 20th, 2008
06:23:21 AM
...beating up the wrong guy. Oh man! Wonder if he'll ever know?
The American industry just doesn't get it
by The StarWolf
Jun 20th, 2008
07:12:34 AM
If, as in the words of David E. Kelley, one shouldn't fix what isn't broken, then why do a remake at all? Just bring in the original.
The danger of ethnocentricity
by The StarWolf
Jun 20th, 2008
07:17:49 AM
JackieJokeman - Typical American conceit where their way is the only way. So what if the original isn't 20+ episodes long? Possibly the highest rated show on PBS, CONNECTIONS, was 'only' ten episodes. Remember COLUMBO? Lasted several seasons with very good ratings? It only had about eight episodes per season. Or, consider the Japanese 'doramas' which tell a tight, effective story in about nine to twelve episodes, then move on to another miniseries. There have been hundreds over the years and it's still an enduring genre. I'll take that (or BABYLON 5's pre-plotted story arc) over things such as the X-FILES which drag on for season after season after season ... and never seem to really get anywhere.
Horribly Miscast in every Major Role
by asxz
Jun 20th, 2008
09:02:46 AM
Colm Meaney is a huge disappointment in the key role of Gene "I'm havin' hoops" Hunt. The generic, troubled neanderthal they have hired to play Sam will never be able to bring the troubled depth to the role and the rent-a-dolly playing Annie is way too traditionally pretty and unfazed by the times to ring true. I love the US Office so this is not an ex-Brit slagging off any attempt to translate a successful series. This is just a poor clone that will not be saved by tweaking a couple of scenes. John Simm as Sam Tyler is the casting equivalent of Michael Keaton in the first Batman. You can't understand how brilliant it is until you see it. This version fails miserably to generate any excitement or empathy with any of the leads. Dull and disappointing.
Poor Colm Meaney
by blagwedge
Jun 20th, 2008
10:01:34 AM
Poor Colm Meaney, he could have done a much better job if they'd stuck with the original script. All he does is punch sam a couple of times, and give him a bit of gentle ribbing. Hes almost friendly to him!!! This is not Gene Hunt, at least not the Gene hunt we knew and loved here in the UK.... I do like the new Sam, i think he brings just the right amount of intensity, although unlike the UK Sam Tyler, he doesnt seem to see the Ludicrousness of it all, to the UK Sam, a lot of the 70s stuff was a joke to him, so we could see that Sam still had a sense of humour, despite his situation. The new Sam is lacking that.
It's a shame if theuir willing to make Gene Hunt
by CrichtonAstronut
Jun 20th, 2008
10:14:48 AM
morally ambiguous and a little bit dangerous, then really takes way from the primary tention of the original series. It'ds not Colm Meaney['s fault I just don't think the US Networks are going to allow a Gene Hunt to say and do much of what the UK Gene Hunt said and did to sell that tention and that character.
I KNEW IT!!!
by lovecraftian
Jun 20th, 2008
11:36:28 AM
I am an American "Life on Mars" fanatic. In my opinion, it's simply one of the best shows that has ever been on television. Philip Glenister created a television icon that belongs in the ranks of Archie Bunker and Tony Soprano. John Simm was a flurry of stop and go emotions. And the two of them together was like Hope and Crosby in one of John Holmes's nightmares. It was a pure resurrection of "The Sweeney", and it just didn't deserve this. BTW, Lenny Clarke? What kind of "armed bastard" is that? Are you kidding me? No Chris. No Ray. No Show. It's that simple. And this woman playing WPC Cartwright is a twig. Liz White is gorgeous because she is a "real woman." Which is, by the by, more indicative of beauty in the 1970's, before Hollywood tried to sell everyone on the heroin-chic, hard-body look --gross. Oh... and O'Mara looks like a football player. How is that lending to the juxtapostion of the girth and shear overpowering frame of the Gene Genie? It's crap! That's all there is to it. Not to mention the disco music in the trailers. THERE WASN'T ANY IN '72. For cryin' out loud, they're going a year backwards from the show and adding KC and the Sunshine Band? They were still listening to the final protest songs for Viet Nam. Hello? Neil Young? The Stones? The Who? FREAKIN MARVIN GAYE? HELL THE BEATLES BROKE UP JUST TWO YEARS PRIOR!!! (Sigh) One last thing, does anyone know where I can get a DCI Gene Hunt for Prime Minister bumper sticker or t-shirt?
The stink of failure...
by proton45
Jun 20th, 2008
11:36:55 AM
Does anyone remember the "Night Stalker" remake? I got the same feeling watching the "Life on Mars" remake as I did watching the "Night Stalker"...The filmmakers missed the point. They need to find the things that made 1970's cops shows in the USA fun and they need to work them in. The UK "LoM" was fun to watch, the USA remake was NOT FUN. It was too much... too dark, too serious, too mono-toned. Where was the humor? Do you remember "Kojak"? Do you remember "The Streets of San Francisco"? They used humor to tell the story...not just tuff-guy attitude. MY last point is that they should have placed this story in Detroit NOT NYC. Detroit is much closer to the gritty street, working man, soul music attitude that Manchester has...
Still, it's gotta be better than ASHES TO ASHES
by alucardvsdracula
Jun 20th, 2008
12:14:42 PM
which is without a doubt the biggest pile of horse shit I have ever seen, and seems to go out of its way to shit on the original Life on Mars series. Anyway I probably will watch this YANKEEEEE version.
Not as good as the original but still good
by Angelus_420
Jun 20th, 2008
01:12:53 PM
I too have seen the pilot cause its on every torrent site ( so is the The Fringe and a host of other except the one I want which is the Josserific Dollhouse) Its not really fair to give a pass or fail to this pilot because its basically the UK version with US items and culture instead of British. Anyone could have written the US pilot if they had watched the UK one. What I do want to see is how they lengthen the series and deal with certain issues that the UK show dealt with. But all and all the US pilot was just as good as the UK with the exception of Gene Hunt. In the UK version, Hunt was more involved and stood out and in the US version he doesn't so much and I like Chief O'Brien but he's just not a strong enough actor to play someone like Hunt. Hunt is a ball busting, crude and sometimes rude person with postive strong morals that most people lack today. Meaney(sp?) just doesn't bring that in the pilot which I thought was ashame. I guess only time will tell if this version can be as great as the UK one.
I'll just watch old ep's of Barney Miller
by Heckles
Jun 20th, 2008
01:53:45 PM
Fish got shit done, son!
Bill Clay,,,,you are correct sir
by bacci40
Jun 20th, 2008
11:44:54 PM
cuz bowie never had a big hit with life on mars here in the states...it was just me and a bunch of my friends who were really into ziggy at the time...bowie didnt become big here till the thin white duke
One more thought...
by proton45
Jun 21st, 2008
09:35:14 AM
This topic seems to have died (no doubt do to the uninteresting "pilot" the topic is based), but... One of the things that made the original "LoM" interesting to Americans is the fact that for the most part we where unfamiliar with the 1970's UK crime shows (and the culture their of). Many of us where turned on to "The Sweeney" after seeing "LoM"...For the UK audience it was a bit of nostalgia. As I said above, the USA producers need to find what made the American cop shows of the 1970's fun and work it into the show...ALSO one last point: I think the American producers should re-think the ending. Those of us who saw the UK production know how the engaging mystery of "LoM" ends with the final episode. I think the American producers should think of a way of changing the outcome/mystery...example: Maybe in the American production of "LoM" he IS CRAZY...get it?
One more point about Detroit
by proton45
Jun 21st, 2008
09:44:56 AM
Detroit would have been a much better setting for the American "LoM". It was the home of Motown and some very early Disco hits...It was also the home of some very notable proto pUNk rockers Iggy PoP and the MC5. And in the late 1960's and early 1970's their where race riots, and fear of terrorists (in the form of Black sympathetic middle class white kids). Their where drug smugglers coming over the border from Canada. And in the mid-1970's they where loosing jobs as the auto-plants where shut down... all of these things would have made interesting subjects to place crimes and nostalgia in and around...
The Sci Fi Aspect **SPOILERS**
by The Alienist
Jun 21st, 2008
10:42:37 AM
What disappointed me so in the original Brit version was how sour the fantanastical part of the show became. It made no sense. Was he really back in time? Was he just in a coma? Yet, there appeared to be things happening he wouldn't have known about if it were all in his head. But, if it were all in his head (which I think is what the show eventually decided upon) why would Sam kill himself to get back there? It was his live comatose mind that took him back to the 70's. If he was dead than his mind is dead as well. Unless the "coma" world is the same as the "dead" world...or "heaven" or whatever. Maybe other people (maybe the Brits) don't or didn't care. But Americans have taken televised sci/fi/horror/fantasy to the next level. We love puzzles, but we want them to eventually connect, to make sense. Here's hoping the American "Life on Mars" delivers a better thought-out mythology.
To "The Alienist"....
by proton45
Jun 21st, 2008
11:48:49 AM
I actually think it did make sense...If it was all in his head then their was nothing he couldn't have actually known. His own mind provided the mystery for him. In his head he would think to himself "20 years from now that man will be a killer", but sense we never reference the "real world" we don't know if that is fact or mental delusion. And in the end when he kills himself we see him get in the car and drive off with the 1970's crew, but we see no more then that...that could have been a dying flash of a thought as he passes on...in other words his last living thought is that he is back in the 1970's, a final delusion before death...
To The Alienist and proton45
by The Outlander
Jun 21st, 2008
12:10:51 PM
Actually I think there was enough evidence to show that he was some how transported back in time (either mentally or physically) and that he was existed in two time periods, while he was unconscious in the future. The proof of this is the fact that he saved his partner in the future by changing events in the past. When he killed himself at the end of the series that meant that he would only exist in the past and never return to the future. I think this explanation makes a lot more sense than saying that it was all in his head, the only thing missing from this explanation is how he managed to get transported back in time. Also I believe that the sequel series Ashes to Ashes backs up this theory. We find out that Sam was still alive in the past after he died in the future and Alex shares the same experience that Sam had.
proton45
by lovecraftian
Jun 21st, 2008
12:30:34 PM
You are spot on about Detroit. My friends and I said the same thing. Either there, or Chicago. I'll admit bias; but the stockyards, the steel mills, the riots, the protests, and a hugely corrupt system from the top down, it all reflects more closely the 1970's Manchester we see on the original BBC version.
To Proton and Outlander
by The Alienist
Jun 21st, 2008
05:01:54 PM
I have heard of the Ashes series and wondered how it was going to live in the same universe. I do think you're both grasping at straws to make the 'resolve' work for you (as obviously the creators did as well). In the end the mythology is basically crap. You're telling me "coma" world is the same thing as "dead" world? I suppose it could be...but really? Really? I'm not even sure the creators knew when the series began and possibly changed their minds in the second season. Personally, I was hoping for a third party revelation, something bigger than Sam, Gene Hunt and the 70's. Again, I'm hoping (and pretty sure) that the America show will handle that aspect much more elegantly.
WTF? The Police Station is the Kolchak set
by lynxpro
Jun 21st, 2008
06:31:56 PM
The people that said the Police station looked like Barney Miller are barking up the wrong tree. The set looks too damn close to the news service bureau that Kolchak worked at in the Kolchak the Night Stalker series set in 70s era Chicago.
and he's driving a friggin Jeep?
by lynxpro
Jun 21st, 2008
06:35:02 PM
Could they not have given a wink to the UK origins of the original series by having Sam Tyler drive a Range Rover?
...well, at least you can understand Annie...
by lynxpro
Jun 21st, 2008
06:43:25 PM
...as in, you can understand the words that are coming out of Annie's mouth in this version, which is an improvement over the original. Plus, she's attractive. Hmm.
Better than LOST? American Red Dwarf WTF is he talking about?
by Stormwatcher
Jun 22nd, 2008
11:25:09 AM
What US Red Dwarf? And sorry, we get this show in Canada and its good, but not near as good as Lost, or Prime Suspect, or Jekyll (which rocks). So yeah, piss off ya hooligan.
To The Alienist (again)
by proton45
Jun 22nd, 2008
01:23:58 PM
Your not getting it...their is no "dead world". What you see (Sam returns to the 1970's) when Sam kills himself happens "in his head" before (or as) he dies. The scene of him returning to his chums in the 1970's is his final hallucination...The whole "LoM" world happens "in his head". It's like the "out of body"..."I see the white light and my dead family was their" hallucination people who return from the dead talk about...
Ashes to Ashes
by proton45
Jun 22nd, 2008
01:30:42 PM
Ashes to Ashes happens in the new woman's (Alex) head (after she reads the medical case reports on Sam) their is no "real coma world" its all a hallucination...the Gene Hunt that is in "A to A" is who the new woman, Alex thinks he is, and is not the Gene Hunt who Sam invented". Its kind of a let down, but their is no supernatural "alternative reality"...its all in his head.
also
by punto
Jun 22nd, 2008
05:09:18 PM
remember that at the end of last season, some old ladie's hand picked up the Master's ring out of the fire (or something like that). that has to happen too..
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