give hogan an emmy.

give hogan an emmy.

give hogan an emmy.

give hogan an emmy.

give hogan an emmy.

give hogan an emmy.

that's all.

This furthers my belief that Cylons are Humans, they are all the same because thats 2 cylons producing a child.

(End of spoiler)

Think it was a decent ep, but I am not liking the fact that we dont seem to get any action anymore between Cylons and Humans, they must be saving it for another episode budget wise.

doing repeats myself right now, to figure out what's up with that damn cat.

oh, and to see the brawl again, ofc...

I won't spoil it, but the end of this episode leaves everything in disarray, and changes the status quo in a major way.

Red herring, monsterous plot hole, or whole new bad of shenannigans? I wait with baited breathe!

I'm having serious podcast withdrawal, I'll tell you that much.

Sine qua non was mostly a good ep, but it was also very predictable and kinda silly in places, e.g: * Lee Adama's presidential search committee? Wow, who could possibly have predicted that the end result would be president Lee Adama? The best bit about that storyline was the final twist with Lampkin: everything else was just padding.

* Adama's decision to wait in a Raptor by hisself for Roslin to make the rendevous? Two points: (1) they don't have beacons for this kind of thing? (2) couldn't anyone have gone with Adama? Starbuck has a crazy vision of earth and she gets to go off on a search with a freighter and apparently half the officers. but all Bill Adama gets is a viper? Again, the best bit about this storyline was the final shot of him sitting in space reading. But the arc itself has the whiff of contrivance about it: the writers obviously want to separate out key characters for some future plot development so they make Adama take a raptor out by himself...

The good stuff this episode was the smaller stuff: more Wolf 359-style battle wreckage shots; Boomer barely had two scenes but they were great scenes; Lampkin and his cats; Tigh learning exactly what he's been up to with Caprica Six; and of course the fight between Tigh and Adama.

but calling this one of the finest hours in tv history? man, that's dumb. it isn't even among the best of the handful of season 4 eps so far...

It is produced by BSkyB (aka SKY channel) - a UK company - as well as SciFi channel, and a few others...

So I think maybe they're entitled to get the occasional first look at an episode, considering they're PAYING for it and all?

OK I'm coming across a bit strong - I know nobody's actually seriously bitchin about this - forget I mentioned it...

yes, the actors playing Boomer, Lee, Lampkin, Adama and Tigh all deliver great performances in this ep. But that by itself hardly makes it the finest tv evah. they deliver some great performances most weeks.

I'm kidding of course.

So, does this TB serve as this episode's official thread?! It's like a spoiler land mine.

AICN has been called an "international public forum" so I guess Herc can't be partial to us Yanks when if comes to air dates, right?;-)

Agreed. It wouldn't be cool IMHO if he ends up as the Final Cylon.

BTW any relation to Owney Madden of COTTON CLUB fame?

And I don't mean in a good way. It felt rushed, but at the same time, none of the stuff that happened was what we were waiting for. It certainly wasn't season finale worthy. It felt like it didn't fit in with the rest of the show.

SPOILERS - Alright, so I can now see them making Lampkin the final cylon, since that's the only thing that could make his character have any point. And that cat crap was just bizarre. If he is the final cylon, then I don't care cause who cares about freakin' Lampkin? Making Lee president was retarded. He only just got into politics, for Christ's sake. Is he gonna get fat and disillusioned again? He's a worthless sack who can't handle responsibility. Tigh getting Six pregnant was an interesting twist, sort of. Can never have enough miracle babies, I guess. Adama freaking like that was again, weird. He's a highly trained military officer who's willing to risk the entire human race to find some dying chick?? Then he hands the fleet off to Tigh, who's obviously in the middle of a personal crisis and is acting so very much out of character. He doesn't even really question him much about it. A fist fight ends it. Whatever. - END SPOILERS

In any case, this was by far the worst season to date. It came off as even worse, standing up against Lost's comeback. It has an end date, so I'll finish it out, but BSG will never be able to redeem its status as a "great" show. Looking back, I'm not sure that it ever was. Some great eps, yes. But the overall story is craptastic and contrived and relies on "voices from above" to guide the characters. Pretty much a textbook example of Deus Ex Machina.

Regarding Lampkin: The cat he saw was in-head. It doesn't make him a Cylon anymore likely than Baltar, who experiences in-head humans.

Speaking of in-head characters, I've wondered if it would be possible if Starbuck is now an in-head character -- she appears to every person in the fleet... but maybe not to all the Cylons.

Then straight after that, he had to draw on his past experience to prevent a Cylon boarding party from venting the atmosphere, directing what few resources (from the command centre) he had to stop them.

So with Tigh back in charge, he does have a bit of a clue from past experience and hopefully he's learned from the mistakes he made to do better this time. After all, if he got any of his decisions wrong at that time in Season 2, they probably would have lost Galactica and in short order the fleet.

Zarek just ALLOWS Lee to become president and becomes vice president again? We're supposed to believe that just happened with no conflicts? Zarek has waited his whole life for that position, and suddenly it's cut to Lee being sworn in?

The whole glossing over/forgetting of Tigh's banging sessions with 6? There's no way a "clear the air" fight (a total cliche, btw) would just make everything OK again. Absolutely no way.

The whole Romo pulling a gun thing on Lee, who was wearing the gayest shirt I've ever seen. That was very, very weak. Way too forced, like an afterthought of them saying, "Hey, we need some drama here." And the whole, "Well, you better pull that trigger then, mister" setup is about as overused on this show now as Peter Jackson having the goblin/Orc/whatever killed with a sword from behind just after saying something like "I'm gonna put a chigger hole in your thorax."

There were some excellent moments, though. The death scene of 6 was really enthralling...the floating wreckage was great...

But come on, Moore and Co., get back on track. Don't cram so much into one episode.

Characters are no longer true to their nature.

Cally finds out about the 4 cylons and does...nothing. Her previous actions suggest she would have at least confronted them or gone straight to Adama.

Adama has done nothing of interested for weeks. And now he is going to see in space and wait, and wait, and wait...? History shows he is a man of action so why not make Starbuck sit there? She always gets the important missions so why not have her wait instead. How can he trust Tigh now that Tigh has: 1."Frakked a cylon" 2.Done so while turning off security cameras and 3.knocked up the cylon (Super Cylon sperm was funny but I am thinking super cylon viagra is more like it).

Lee is a waste of space (and does nothing most of the time).

Starbuck was dead, now she's not, thought to be a cylon, test says no, but test never worked (or so Baltar said, but history shows, never trust Baltar), then she acts nuts "We are going the wrong way,", then she gets a ship and she....sweats for 4 weeks, then calls a truce with the Cylons, and then does...nothing.

Balter at least gets laid every 20 minutes and has evolved some this season.

Chief stated the season off strong and has faded into...doing nothing.

Lee's exwife...did she leave the show? Hardly see or hear much from her now.

I realize there are multiple characters and not everyone can have a great episode every week. Also realize there are a lot of story lines taking place, but come on, some of the behavior taking place is just nuts. Yeah, I know one of the characters said "none of us are ourselves since we reached the nebula," but come on!

I miss the tension from episodes like "33". Or the conflict of episodes like "Scar".

So cut the "I had a vision", "it's prophecy" crap and move forward. I want badass cylons, not the candyass variety we get now. I want Bill Adama pissed off and beating the crap out of the chief fighting mad. I want Starbuck chompin' on a cigar and making wiseass cracks at Tigh. I want Tigh kicking cylon ass, not licking it.

But most of all I want my BSG back. The one I discovered after the miniseries and season one ended, but purchased on DVD after catching an off-season marathon on Scifi (which sucks most of the time) and that I purchased on itunes until NBC got a stick up their ass and got greedy.

Sorry for the rant, I love this show and hate what it has become. I read this site all the time and rarely post, but just needed to get that off my chest.

Thanks.

I really think the show is still great, but I was really disappointed by what happened last night. Actually, more HOW it happened. And yeah, WHERE THE HELL is Duala? Is she even on the bridge anymore? Hopefully the return of a pissed off Deanna will get things moving again.

The squeezing of two big plots into one episode felt like comic book style writing. Only show the important scenes, and cleverly insert dialogue explaining what happened in the missing gaps. The problem is that we could have used those missing gaps. We breezed over all the development and jumped to the punchline (literally) and the whole episode felt forced as a result.

Worse, there are some huge plot developments, like Caprica Six is pregnant with Tigh's baby, that was told with just a throw away line. I wanted some follow through on that twist, dang it!

So why would they put two big stories and squeeze them into one overly verbose episode like this? The answer is simple:

The two plots that were in this episode mirror full episodes from the past. In season 1, Adama was obsessed with finding Starbuck to the point that it threatened the whole fleet. In season 2 we had a nearly 2 hour episode devoted to Baltar's ascendency to the presidency. No doubt the writers knew this, hence the plot squeeze.

Tigh's silent reaction was Priceless!!