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Uh, yeah.
by jae683
May 16th, 2008
12:27:56 AM
You get your hands off my child!
by sjlm90
May 16th, 2008
12:28:07 AM
Sweeet.
I never touched your child!
by IAmMrMonkey!
May 16th, 2008
12:41:00 AM
He's telling lies.
Baltar Admits?!?
by Vorlagen
May 16th, 2008
12:42:13 AM
I was under the impression that people already knew he played a role in said destruction.... Isn't that what the trial was for? He wasn't denying involvement, just that there were extreme circumstances and that he shouldn't be crucified. Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but what DO people know about his involvement? OR: Is this "admittal" important because it's simply him discussing and opening up with Roselin?
And Katee Sackhoff gets beat out....
by Aloy
May 16th, 2008
01:15:25 AM
by the blond from Mutant X (Lee Smith) for the CSI role, no justice.
Moore is an Idiot and a Moron
by kenichi tanaka
May 16th, 2008
01:17:15 AM
I stand by my affirmation. This season has totally sucked. Even Fridays episode sucked ...

Moore has become a complete moron. Not only has this season suffered from horrible and notrocious acting but has resulted in poor writing as well ...
Re: Baltar Admits
by NoPIX
May 16th, 2008
01:25:26 AM
When he was being tortured and under that acid type drug, didn't he admit that he did play a role? He was rambling, saying that Six always thought he knew deep down inside, but no, he thinks he was just a pawn. Right?
End it already!

For the love of God
by jbs0209

May 16th, 2008
02:12:48 AM
Please just end this already

Don't make me wait until after a 3-5 month long "mid-season break".

I can barely feign interest now. I just want to see how it ends. I know it'll be a disappointing opportunity squandered, but just finish it please.

I have been re-watching the first season. God it held such potential then.

Helo Dies... maybe
by Junior Frenger
May 16th, 2008
03:07:00 AM
Joss Whedon stated earlier this week that he wanted Jane Espensen to write for Doll House, but that she is busy working on Galactica. So I started thinking isn't Tamoh going to be busy working on Galactica as well? Hmmm... obviously not. Makes ya wonder.
Get your chocolate out of my peanut butter!!!
by tonagan
May 16th, 2008
03:13:57 AM
Frak frak frak
by cineninja
May 16th, 2008
03:19:31 AM
It was hard enough to reinvest in this show after the godawful long intermission but its draggin ass now which is making it even HARDER to maintain interest. They need to soul search before Caprica debuts...
6 "bottle" episodes so far...
by Prof. Pop-Cult
May 16th, 2008
04:59:33 AM
Except for the Cylon civil war, the plot developments have been sluggish. It feels like they're dragging things out until the mid-season cliffhanger at episode 10. I imagine part of the reason why they're doing this is because the budget for each episode of this series is small (compared to hour-long dramas on other networks).
Laura's mom BABS BUSH!
by EvilWizardGlick
May 16th, 2008
05:14:24 AM
Is the show trying to reinforce the parallels between Laura and W?

Both are the worst presidents ever.

Both torture and stole elections.

Baltar trial about New Caprica
by EvilWizardGlick
May 16th, 2008
05:16:22 AM
Baltars trial was about his actions on New Caprica.
Bills balls stolen last week.
by EvilWizardGlick
May 16th, 2008
05:18:28 AM
That final Laura/Adama scene where Bill became a woman made me scream.

I wanted Sol to come roaring in ranting about how he lost an eye and killed his wife and was a Cylon BUT NEVER NEVER went all girly!

Mutant X was a great show
by teethgnasher
May 16th, 2008
06:45:56 AM
I had low expectations for Mutant X. BSG has high expectations. Was Sackoff trying to get on CSI? I thought she might be doing movies? Entertainment Weekly makes her out to be the next big actress.
Herc...
by skynetbauxi
May 16th, 2008
06:52:45 AM
do you think you could make your TV headlines a little less SPOILER-iffic?
It's not bad enough that this show has sucked this season,
by jae683
May 16th, 2008
07:27:12 AM
but do we have to go through another 'political' talk back?
"your whine and cry like a baby"
by Arch Nemesis
May 16th, 2008
07:30:57 AM
Obvious genius at work here.
This Has Been The Worst BSG Season So Far :(
by IAmMrMonkey!
May 16th, 2008
07:35:58 AM
As has already been pointed out, everything is happening so s-l-o-w-l-y. The writers should look at the current season of "Lost" to see how a season should go. Almost every episode has seemed like a filler.

After the excitement of the season final (Starbuck's alive and been to Earth! Look who the Cylons are!) things have just ground to a complete halt. You know things are bad when one of the episode's revelations has already been addressed (it's kind of like the writers thought 'Oooh! What if people haven't seen "Razor" Hmmm, we better repeat the revelation again about Starbuck...)

C'mon BSG! Get it together! I used to love you. Now I just like you.

Agreed it's been bumpy
by BeatsMe
May 16th, 2008
07:49:39 AM
But I thought last week was pretty good, maybe they're over the crappy strike-rush run?
Have to agree, season has been very poor,
by DarthScotland
May 16th, 2008
08:06:06 AM
unfortunately so, we expected fast paced plot developments when the end date was announced but this seems to be the other way around. To be honest its no slower than the early 'water shortage' type episodes, but we cared about the strife of people on the run. Ive had enough of Kara whining like a little girl so much she gets her way, im pretty sure in a real military she would have been shot many times over by now. I have now fallen into the 'get it over with, I just want to see how it ends' camp. booooooooooooooooooooooooooo
it's not the h8ers who say it sucks
by V'Shael
May 16th, 2008
08:07:01 AM
it's people with good taste.
If looks could kill....
by matalo
May 16th, 2008
08:13:04 AM
Maybe not. The question will be raised by Adama to Tigh, but it will not be nearly as dramatical as they lead on.
dramatical?
by spidercoz
May 16th, 2008
08:17:31 AM
jesus christ...
spidercoz
by matalo
May 16th, 2008
08:20:01 AM
Adjective: dramatical Of or pertaining to the drama; appropriate to, or having the qualities of, a drama; theatrical; vivid Nice attempt at trolling, bro.
Not enough explosions!
by Demode
May 16th, 2008
08:21:51 AM
For those of you who hate good storytelling, go watch Star Gate: Atlantis. Seriously, I have been lovin this season so far. Some very emotional episodes.
This season
by chrth
May 16th, 2008
08:28:58 AM
The intraCylon conflict has been cool. But the best part of the show (In-Head Baltar) has only shown up once, and the second best part of the show (regular Baltar) seems very, very neutered this season. I miss his arrogance.

But I wouldn't say it's worse than the latter part of season 2 (before In-Head Baltar arrived), when Apollo decided to take on the Black Market and Tory clandestinely arranged for Billy to be killed so she could get closer to the President (that'd be an interesting idea, eh?).

Great insight last week in EW's recap about 8
by chrth
May 16th, 2008
08:35:51 AM
About how the model is designed to sidle up next to whomever benefits it. Thus the models talking about rebelling against the 6s in last week's ep, Boomer hanging with Cavil, Athena making the play for Helo on Caprica, Athena becoming good friends with the Admiral during the New Caprica years, Boomer making cozy with the Chief (as a pilot, making nice with the main repairman can't be a bad idea, right?), etc. I wonder if that was deliberate, or just organically evolved over the course of the show.
The season has been fine
by Alientoast
May 16th, 2008
08:47:42 AM
The problem is most people have no patience or appreciation for character development. The biggest mistake RDM made, IMO, was opening the season with a huge space battle. This got people psyched for "YAYAYA!! DEATH! SPLOSIONS!!!! BOOOMMMMM", then when confronted with less flashy, yet deeper developments, they became all angry and jaded. The season has been great so far. Yes, I love huge "OMG" moments just as much as the next viewer, or budget-busting special FX episodes, but I love the character development episodes just as much. I'm curious...how many of you saying this season sucks think ST:TNG was better then DS9? I think that might explain the mindset behind the gripes.
Big Explosions versus Character Development
by chrth
May 16th, 2008
08:59:07 AM
Ok, this crap has got to stop. Anyone who was big on Big Explosions would've stopped watching this show long ago. If people are criticizing the show (an ability, I might add, that is well within their rights to do), trying to cast it as a denunciation of the lack of viscerality makes you just look like an elitist snob. "Oooh, ooh, look at me I love the show because I love character development" Get over yourself. Character development can be handled poorly if it comes off as forced or inconsistent. Storylines can be dragged out too long. It happens to even the best of shows (Season 7 of BTVS is a huge in case-in-point of these last couple sentences).

If you dislike someone's criticism, how about responding with a counter-argument instead of denigrating the writer? Attacking the messenger just shows you're incapable of attacking the message.

Its still up there
by 2LeggedFreak
May 16th, 2008
08:59:49 AM
Yep I agree that its felt a tad sluggish this season but what the heck are people comparing it to when they start calling it crap ?

Still feels like one of the best shows on tv at the moment although I tend to sit down to watch it on my Sky+ when I am in a more contemplative mood rather than per the scheduled showings.

Somebody made comparisions to Lost earlier but the reason why I gave up watching Lost and have stuck with BSG is that I believe the characters and their motivations. Thats what keeps this show a must see for me.
I must be watching a different show...
by thefrood
May 16th, 2008
09:16:12 AM
I watched ep 5 last night and thought it was some of the most superior, intelligent and tense writing I've seen on a sci-fi show possibly ever. Each ep' so far has provided me with a "fuckin' ell" moment and I just don't understand the accusations of "sluggish" or "badly written". To me it achieves what the best sci fi sets out too. It poses questions that relate to the real world, but may be a little too heavy handed when tackled in a contemporary setting. I'm referring in particular to the metaphysical quandries and also the nature of "alliance" between different races whose beliefs maybe at odds, but goals are the same.
Yeah it's been pretty slow
by godzillasushi
May 16th, 2008
09:22:41 AM
I really try hard to understand and maintain interest. But after reading the super-spoilers above It's like, YEAH BUT! What about this, what about that. So what? I ask that all the time. Roslin, dead? NO WAY! So what....ancient ruins? Wow, that's only been done a couple of times before. Not saying it's awful but it's hard not to ask why any of it matters. ....So what....
RE: thefrood
by godzillasushi
May 16th, 2008
09:28:24 AM
"To me it achieves what the best sci fi sets out too. It poses questions that relate to the real world, but may be a little too heavy handed when tackled in a contemporary setting." Your right on that. But in the context of the show those things almost don't mean anything. It's still up to the creative work of everyone to give it life. For all that is good on the outside, the basic parts and peices of the show don't flow like they should. Might be why the writing is being criticized, because it's all delivered in a wierd way. For some reason, the smaller peices aren't adding up. The show set a standard for itself, that's what everyone is holding it to.
RE: godzillasushi
by thefrood
May 16th, 2008
09:32:34 AM
I've got to say though, on a whole it's working for me. Maybe we're all just looking for something different because I don't think my standards are particularly low. I'm usually hyper-critical of everything... which is why my kids hate me. "You call that a picture of a house? I could do it better with my dick!!! Stop crying for fucks sake!!!" A little too much there maybe.
It's ok godzillasushi...
by Kampbell-Kid
May 16th, 2008
09:36:23 AM
Your contribution didn't make much sense either.
Hehe
by godzillasushi
May 16th, 2008
09:36:51 AM
I'm really glad it is working for you. I know everyone is split on it. It could be a whole lot worse. Ironically, I'm not so critical. I think you do a great house using....alternate methods.
RE: Kampbell-Kid
by godzillasushi
May 16th, 2008
09:40:49 AM
What didn't make sense? I'll help you out. I'm not here to anonymously ruin your day or anything. I tried to put it in a way that wasn't "Show fails, show is boring, teh suck."
kenichi tanaka
by Mr. Nice Gaius
May 16th, 2008
09:44:28 AM
And yet you keep watching. Curious.
Thanks godzillasushi
by thefrood
May 16th, 2008
09:48:36 AM
But you really don't want to see my sculpting... Sorry I just made myself feel nauseous. Ever had a feeling you're really going to regret a post?
You bet man
by godzillasushi
May 16th, 2008
09:54:13 AM
I've regretted everything today, sans my encouragement of internet genital sculpting.
matalo
by spidercoz
May 16th, 2008
10:34:07 AM
The def you gave was for DRAMATIC, the -tic suffix makes it an adjective. Adding -al is redundant; it's not a word, despite any fake online dictionary references you may find. And Flavor Flav is not an authority.

I wonder if this is how a language really evolves; people too dumb or lazy to figure out the appropriate way to say what they want to say and just make up new words from old words and inappropriate pre- and suffixes. Case and point, "irregardless." And then, since the stupid will always far outnumber the intelligent in any population, it gets picked up by others, comes into general use, and eventually accepted as proper. More like a devolution really; eventually our language skills will revert to a series of grunts. Ah well, screw it, "Ow! My Balls!" is on...

spidercoz
by Vorlagen
May 16th, 2008
10:45:18 AM
As much as I think it's an argument not worth taking up: Very well spoken. Eloquent.
chrth
by Smoke Monster Loves Kate
May 16th, 2008
10:46:36 AM
I believe that's called being a woman.
Adama Revealed As Cylon Spy
by kenichi tanaka
May 16th, 2008
10:57:35 AM
I just heard from a reliable insider that Adama is going to be seen collaborating with Baltar in the mid-season finale.
Vorlagen
by spidercoz
May 16th, 2008
11:04:48 AM
it's not, I know, but I'm bored...and thanks
More crap
by evil twin
May 16th, 2008
11:15:14 AM
How we long for a return to the greatness that was the first season.
Rumors:
by fiester
May 16th, 2008
11:20:30 AM
I heard fat Vito assrapes Meadow's boyfriend.
One example of why things are slow this season...
by Prof. Pop-Cult
May 16th, 2008
11:26:26 AM
We haven't learned anything more about the Final Five Cylons. Shouldn't we have learned some backstory of the life history of at least one these people: Tyrol, Tigh, Tory or Anders? I'll go with the revelation that they are in fact Cylons, but the producers so far have not answered any of the questions that have come up since this huge plot twist was revealed.
thefrood and chrth
by NudeandAroused
May 16th, 2008
11:49:12 AM
Both bring up very valid and constructive points. This has been a very strong season. This show, again, is not so much about humans vs cylons. It is about the human condition. And it shows that condition quite brilliantly.
Ok...
by skydemon
May 16th, 2008
11:50:06 AM
With the exception of LOST, which is an equally excellent show, and Give me an example of what does not suck on television.
spidercoz
by secretcylon
May 16th, 2008
12:15:12 PM
That actually is how language evolves. It's never in one fixed state, always mutating, corrupting, etc.
Careful skydemon/RE: NudeandAroused
by godzillasushi
May 16th, 2008
12:19:27 PM
You'll get someone out there to really give it to you hard. I got probably 6 shows in the back of my mind right now! :) ////// NudeandAroused, yeah man, human condition and all the existential BS. It's awesome on the show. But dude, like the scene with Galen a few episodes back. He's at the bar and he's just looking all beat down. And Adama gets him mad. So he starts yelling. And I'm like, dang, he's not really selling this. Because he does the "Grrrr, things have been hard." But, throw something, move around more. He just raised his voice. Like, human condition for sure, but he's not giving me any reason to feel bad for him. He's just pissed at the world acting. Aren't we all. Right? I mean, if I'm wrong I'm wrong but somewhere deep down inside I probably have a tiny point right? The next scene could be brilliant. The season has been so up and down though. The supporting cast is all over the place. Kara....she looks like an actor trying to be twisted. Adama and Gaius are like the only steady characters where you can actually get into it. I'm really not looking to shoot the show down and complain. It's just the way it is this season. Maybe that's my problem right there. Acting is hit and miss IMO. It's the same on every freakin' show though. Kate always feels like she's mailing it in on Lost. Sawyer never has. There, I put flame bate out there. The hunt is on!!!! :)
You have to be forgiving of the actors
by chrth
May 16th, 2008
12:23:00 PM
They're busy giving it their all on Reaper, it's only expected that they have little left for BSG.
I was about to say, about the acting
by godzillasushi
May 16th, 2008
12:25:43 PM
I can't imagine how hard it must be to talk like those characters do. You know, all the "Frak these cylons. They ruined my flux capacitor and Starbuck can't fly her T-1000 now."
Digging It
by Cobbio
May 16th, 2008
01:04:30 PM
I think this season of "Battlestar" has been unbelievably solid, kickass, and dramatic. The scene last week where Roslin, talking to a dying cancer patient, starts to sob as she remembers her mother gave me goosebumps.

Can't wait to see more of Starbuck's arc. Is she actually the harbinger of humanity's end, as the cylon guy in the vat claimed in "Razor"? It's making me nervous in a good way.

What the hell are you talking about godzillasushi?
by BrandonGK
May 16th, 2008
01:46:50 PM
This isn't Voyager, the technobabble has always been kept to a minimum on this show.
Alientoast, DS9 actually had a lot more space battles than TNG
by WickedJacob
May 16th, 2008
01:53:52 PM
That is why DS9 kicks all other Trek's collective asses. Better continuity, at least a passing attempt at character development, AND awesome battles (awesome for a Trek show), and none of that annoying Roddenberry optimism.
Just wanna say I'm definitely not a BSG hater
by IAmMrMonkey!
May 16th, 2008
02:01:55 PM
I love this series. It's one of the most intelligent tv shows on air (and perhaps even ever). It's great that a sci-fi show can tackle the human condition in such an expert way, contains characters acting realistically even though they're on a spaceship hunted by robots and has such well written dialogue.

It's just that the previous seasons have had a great sense of urgency about them. Whether it was the early seasons when we were constantly made aware of just how many humans beings were left or situations in the later seasons where the humans were either readying themselves to rebel against the Cylons or just get ahead of them to find the next clue to Earth.

This season has just seemed slower in every regard. As a TBer above pointed out, Baltar is a lot more subdued this season. We've had episodes with Starbuck sitting around in her ship going mad and the Cylons seem too busy infighting to be chasing after the Gallactica.

With the exception of the airlock incident and the revelation about where the final five are actually from, it doesn't seem that there is a lot going on.

I'm expecting things to get a bit more frantic now but I'd compare the last few episodes to the Jack-centric episode of Lost which aired a few weeks back. It's still great television but, compared to the episodes that have come before, seems strangely lacking in something.

This has been the BEST BSG season so far
by Oberon
May 16th, 2008
02:08:26 PM
I swear - some of you people have attention deficit disorder.
I think...
by Mr. Nice Gaius
May 16th, 2008
02:14:30 PM
...that BSG's FTL Drive is just spooling up. This show is gonna 'splode.
Oberon Assist
by dumbpeoplesuck
May 16th, 2008
02:15:42 PM
For the afflicted, Attention Deficit Disorder is what ADD stands for.
Sorry...I just couldn't resist.
:)
Show's been excellent, IMHO.
Why this season is good:
by Alientoast
May 16th, 2008
02:28:47 PM
The goal of the RTF, Earth, is within reach. The Cylons are starting to evolve beyond the "god is great! kill the humans!" mantra. Many of the questions that have existed (The one true god, the role of the in-heads) seem close to being answered. Characters undergoing their final changes before their ultimate fate. IMO it's good TV.
Moore's biggest mistake

Lack of continuity
by jbs0209

May 16th, 2008
02:31:12 PM
Moore's biggest mistake WASN"T opening with a space battle

Moore's biggest mistake is hitting the reset button every 3rd episode

"Hey I have a new idea. Let's abandon everything we have done up this point and play around with this new toy for 3-4 episodes."

I never forgave them for having new scenes in the "Previously On" section. That crap started way back in episode 3 (4 maybe) of season 1. I was watching the shows on DVD while sick and Fuck if episode 3 started re-conning history in the previously on segment.

The characters never act like themselves over an extended period of time. Apollo? I pity the actor his character is whipsawed every chance they get.

The problem is they never mapped out a season or better yet multi-season outline. Nobody has any arc that matters. Don't bother getting invested in a character because everything will change in a few episodes, when Ron gets some new ants in his pants.

The production and acting is very good. The in-episode writing is pretty good. The overall strategic writing of the series is fucking in-excusable.

DS9 was better and that was a Star Trek show. JMS should have been brought in to outline the show and then leave.

BrandonGK
by godzillasushi
May 16th, 2008
02:35:48 PM
Relax! Just kidding around. We don't have a sarcasm font so you'll have to just try and decipher it.
No LOST, No BSG, next week will be booring
by RokurGepta
May 16th, 2008
03:16:23 PM
OMG

The summer shows aren't starting yet, most shows have had their season finale already, and the two best shows on tv right now are both taking a week off at the same time..... damn it

Spoiler sites?
by BigSteve03
May 16th, 2008
03:26:45 PM
Does anyone know any good spoiler sites for BSG? The inviso text stuff posted here was put on the *pedia sites months ago (and they've never been updated since), and darkufo, the god of lost spoilers, just posts the trailer for bsg every week on his bsg spoiler site. I have yet to find anything that is regularly updated. You think with a show like this there'd be more leaks out there.
Zack Ward as Cletus Kasady
by spidercoz
May 16th, 2008
03:32:33 PM
open the movie with him running around Central Park stabbing people wearing only a teddy bear head over his nuts
Apollo
by Alientoast
May 16th, 2008
03:32:39 PM
Apollo has always been an idealist and has, over the course of the show, shown his growing disdain for staying in active duty.
fuck...
by spidercoz
May 16th, 2008
03:33:24 PM
sorry...wrong thread
Ashok0
by secretcylon
May 16th, 2008
04:06:13 PM
BSG and DS9 are both great shows. BSG does not wipe the floor with DS9. Many BSG premises are based on DS9 story lines, The Occupation of New Caprica/resistance/liberation was very, very, similar to the end of DS9 season 5 & beginning of Season 6. Gaeta losing the leg is very much like Nog losing the leg, the cylon virus/changeling virus, etc. Anyway, my point is they're both great.
Cylon Virus != Changling Virus
by Alientoast
May 16th, 2008
04:17:57 PM
The Changling Virus was an instrumental part of the DS9 plot-arc in terms of the Founder's growing ruthlessness and the questionable morality of the Federation. The Cylon Virus was a one-off that didn't have any long term ramifications beyond a quick "Is this moral?" question that was resolved by Helo in his usual Moral Compass role. As for the Occupation and leg loss, while they are the same type of general plot device, the execution was/will be different and yield different results.
secretcylon
by evil twin
May 16th, 2008
04:29:31 PM
I think at this point it's important that we establish a serious discussion about the relative merits of Babylon 5 verses Deep Space Nine.
BATTLESTAR GALACTICA
by DoubleFantasy
May 16th, 2008
04:38:14 PM
Some of you guys really are a bunch of morons... jbs0209, you lead their cause. Ashok0 is right 100% and a few others too. BSG is NOT what the majority of all other sci-fi shows are and that is a very good thing. It is a complicated human drama that, admittedly, does move slowly yet the storytelling and character writing is beyond anything i have ever seen on such a show. It may be slow-paced for some but its not 24 - that is one of its great strengths. Baltar's transformation throughout the past 4 series' has been incredible. A piece of cowardly filth - who may or may not be insane - seemingly becoming a religious messiah. Apollo going from the Admiral's fighter pilot son to a morally guided representative of the people, even the cylons themself going through a journey of self-discovery as their fate, intertwined with humanity, reveals itself. For those who say that nothing has happened this season please open your eyes and think of the wider picture. Last week the cylons and humans forged an alliance. That is amazing in itself. For Adama and the fleet to accept this as fact as tonights episode seems to show shows how much of a journey the characters have been through, its shows how tired and desperate the humans are to find a home and as a viewer i am absolutely fascinated in the depth Moore and his team reach with every new episode. Keep the fights and explosions for another sci-fi show cause this is a series that stands heads and shoulders above anything else in its genre.
i thought tonight was the first of a 2-parter
by The Dude Abides
May 16th, 2008
05:13:52 PM
am i mistaken?
I like this show.
by fiester
May 16th, 2008
05:36:55 PM
And "Lost" blows goats. Take your tinfoil hat and graph paper and go scribble your numbers in the corner like the other good "Lost" nerds.
Dude
by Shoegeezer
May 16th, 2008
05:53:08 PM
it is the first of a 2-parter, with an absolute mutha of a cliffhanger.
Moore Had Ripped Off that Idea From Robotech
by kenichi tanaka
May 16th, 2008
06:40:17 PM
Wanna know why Moore did the recap thing? He saw Robotech and thought "how cool, let's steal that idea and include a recap of previous episodes before each new episode."
stupid suspense...
by jccalhoun
May 16th, 2008
09:05:47 PM
so why wouldn't the Demitrius jump in first, tell the fleet, "There's a basestar coming" and then have the basestar jump in?

because it would have been boring?
Tigh with the psychic vibes ...
by chrth
May 16th, 2008
09:12:41 PM
He felt his Cylon buddy return
So will the Final Four
by chrth
May 16th, 2008
09:18:11 PM
Take a shot at blowing this mission to save themselves?

And what happened to all the 8s, I thought there was like 5 of them on the Baseship?

The Cylons don't have a backup hub?
by chrth
May 16th, 2008
09:20:52 PM
They're obviously big on scalability, but they have a gaping flaw in their redundancy?
Waggle! Waggle!
by BrandLoyalist
May 16th, 2008
09:24:25 PM
Captured base star SO COOL
Tigh's getting twitch-y
by chrth
May 16th, 2008
09:24:45 PM
Roslin has an exaggerated sense of her own importance
by chrth
May 16th, 2008
09:32:13 PM
I mean, really, Laura, get a grip. Everyone know Adama's the real leader.
This is obviously not Starbuck
by chrth
May 16th, 2008
09:48:32 PM
She's not screaming or looking pissy or drinking
Is it Gaius in the visions, or In-Head Gaius?
by chrth
May 16th, 2008
09:52:07 PM
Hmmmm ... Gaius seems to be the only participant not sharing the vision.

In-Head Gaius/In-Head Six '08

holy shit, Roslin isn't the dying leader
by br1947
May 16th, 2008
10:00:07 PM
2 weeks?!?! DAMNIT!!!
Herc: Quite giving giving spoilers in the titles!
by Ayii
May 16th, 2008
10:00:38 PM
I don't visit these SPOILER sections until after the episodes airs, but the last couple of weeks you've been ruining some key plot elements in Battlestar and LOST just in the titles that are visible on the main page. Can you come up with something less spoilerish in your titles?
Hmmm...so who was on the basestar?
by chrth
May 16th, 2008
10:00:52 PM
Roslin, Baltar, Beach Blanket Bingo Leoben ... who else accompanied them?
br1947 & Ayii
by chrth
May 16th, 2008
10:01:58 PM
br1947: wait, what do you mean she's not? Did I miss something?

Ayii: that line was in the promo for this week's ep

I think the writers are enjoying their hidden four in-joke
by chrth
May 16th, 2008
10:02:41 PM
"I don't want a Cylon holding my child, so Tyrol, go grab her"
chrth, watch Six's speech to the quarum again
by br1947
May 16th, 2008
10:06:22 PM
and the flashes Starbuck has. Especially Six talking about "becoming their leader".
br1947: you have to be a little more specific
by chrth
May 16th, 2008
10:09:05 PM
I don't have great memory ... or the episode on tape to watch
BTW, great job by 6 on providing a distraction
by chrth
May 16th, 2008
10:11:44 PM
with telling the truth. That should slow 'em down

by spire_walk
May 16th, 2008
10:11:49 PM
er, without telling the truth
by chrth
May 16th, 2008
10:12:01 PM
Outstanding fracking episode
by spire_walk
May 16th, 2008
10:15:09 PM
I can feel that sense of urgency coming back at last... that feeling that made the first two seasons so amazing. When I thought BSG couldn't get any darker, here we go again. With DS9 and now BSG, Moore is a god.
Great singing voice!!!
by RokurGepta
May 16th, 2008
10:16:42 PM
omg this episode was INCREDIBLE....!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

JUMP

incredible INCREDIBLE

Seems like the prez is sharing dreams with a cylon, does that make here the final cylon? Is baltar cylon as well? Have the 5 really been to Earth? did they meet a 13th cylon on Earth? Gods this is gonna be a long 2 weeek wait. No LOST, no BSG. AHHHHHHHHHHHHH

"Moore is a god"
by chrth
May 16th, 2008
10:17:07 PM
"Moore is a god"
by chrth
May 16th, 2008
10:17:37 PM
Meh, I bet he couldn't even stand up to the Eldest Gruff
Return to form
by bullet3
May 16th, 2008
10:18:09 PM
This was excellent, the new mission is going to be fantastic, next few episodes should rock. And god, the special effects are just incredible on this. Not just the abundant space jumping scenes, but the epic shots of the base-stars interior. I particularly loved the centurions walking through that group of soldiers on the deck. P.S. chrth, I think you're reading too far into Six's speech. It would just be ridiculous and stupid if Roslin ended up NOT being the dying leader.
Ok, so the final five are waiting for ...
by chrth
May 16th, 2008
10:20:05 PM
The triple star to remember the path to Earth? I was thinking that the triple star was supposed to be Alpha Centauri and the ringed planet was Saturn, but since the comet was an intermediary marker, maybe those two are as well? Or at least the triple star? And they'll have a triggering effect like the nebula did?
bullet3: don't look at me, it's br1947's theory
by chrth
May 16th, 2008
10:21:09 PM
I think Roslin is the dying leader, I mean she was in the Opera House, not Natalie.
I'll have to grab a torrent of it for details
by br1947
May 16th, 2008
10:25:46 PM
There were basically flashes back and forth between Roslin, Starbuck, and Six with the Hybrid repeating the prophecy. Six specifically made a point about being becoming the leader of the rebel Cylons during this. I don't think it's reading too deep into it, the leadership thing jumped out early to me, then when Six gets shot, it made sense. I have a feeling we'll see Six (that one at least) ligering around long enough to have some revelation before dying. Also ties in with the 'mortality' part of Six's speech
then again
by br1947
May 16th, 2008
10:26:26 PM
I could totally be smokin' crack, who knows, that's why the show is fun!
So is Starbuck's homing signal gone?
by chrth
May 16th, 2008
10:28:38 PM
I want whatever Gaida is on
by MrInsidious
May 16th, 2008
10:29:36 PM
That mother fucker sang the whole episode. This is some good shit. I was waiting for one of the other patients to tell him to shut the fuck up! Guess the promise about not taking the leg was an empty one eh? Fuck the haters up their fucking asses.
They didn't take Felix's leg
by chrth
May 16th, 2008
10:31:25 PM
Just his calf and foot. It's not like he lost an eye and is secretly a Cylon. Do you ever hear Tigh singing? (Well, except for when he's getting triggered?) Hells no. Tigh is a MAN.
Natalie Six
by Alientoast
May 16th, 2008
10:33:25 PM
The preview next week showed what looked like Natalie lying down, so I don't think she is dead...yet. Athena also seemed to overreact a lil, eh? Although Hera waking up her mom and saying "Bye bye" would probably work to unnerve you.
Gaida is either the Final Cylon...
by expert_40
May 16th, 2008
10:34:37 PM
... or he's one hell of a red herring. Holy FRAKKING shit!!!

And seriously, is anyone else getting a Private Pyle vibe coming from Tyrol? I loved his reaction to be outing by the DeAnnas, "At least we'll know who the fifth is."

Haha!
I didn't buy Athena's reaction at all
by chrth
May 16th, 2008
10:34:41 PM
I mean, is she going to go kill the Six in the holding cell too?

And Frak It, how do we know she's not under control of Cavil via Boomer?

Did anyone notice the painting in the background
by RokurGepta
May 16th, 2008
10:36:38 PM
of that one room, shows old school centaurions fighting.... Has it been used in previous episodes? It be cool if they made it into a poster fans could buy....
Heck, maybe the 8s last week were feeling it too
by chrth
May 16th, 2008
10:37:08 PM
All the 8s share a mindspace. Cavil uses Boomer to 'push' rebellion against the 6s on the 8s last week, but Athena is able to disrupt the push. So then Cavil has Boomer push against Athena ...

You know something? I bet this isn't it at all. But it's better this way, hmm? Frak it, I'm going to go write my own show

JEFF GOLDBLUM IS THE FINAL CYLON, HIDE YOUR MACBOOKS!
by RyanMurray
May 16th, 2008
11:00:37 PM
Did you guys catch the glimpse of Romo in the previews? :)
Chrth - Kara's 'Comet' was the damaged basestar.
by DonnaDarko
May 16th, 2008
11:03:51 PM
She 'flashed back' on it during last week's episode. Goes to show her memories are less than perfect.
Attention, BSG defenders!
by Lord Haw Haw
May 16th, 2008
11:22:31 PM
I can't speak for everyone here, but I think tonight's episode was just the tonic for those of us that love the show but have been disappointed with how the season has progressed so far. A sense of danger and urgency was restored. The fluff scenes were kept mercifully short, such as the first Quorum meeting. The dialogue was concise and relevant. And there were some genuine surprises. There was no drawn-out, sweaty angst on the Demetrius, nor any running-time-destroying Gaius Baltar sermons. It wasn't a flawless episode by any means (Tigh's stand-down explanation and Adama's acceptance of it was laughable, Gaeta's singing was embarassing, the whole mysticism angle is getting out of hand, please please please stop with all the "dramatic" cuts to the faces of the Evil Sneaky Final Four/Fifths, etc.). Those of us that love this show want it to go out strong. This episode is definitely a return the BSG that hooked us all in the first place. It's one thing to criticize a show for the sake of it. It's quite another to do so because you hold it up to a certain standard and expect better than you've been given. We all take away something different from Battlestar. For one person to place his perception above another's is normal. But to assume the other person has a lack of understanding altogether is neither fair nor accurate. It's entertainment, man. It either moves you or it doesn't. There is no right or wrong answer here. Anyway, welcome back, Galactica. I missed you.
MrInsidious
by SilentP
May 16th, 2008
11:35:01 PM
I don't think Helo actually promised not to let the doc take his leg. In fact, he pretty much promised he *would* let the doc take his leg when he told him he wouldn't leave until the clock ran out. :P
RE: Private Pyle vibe coming from Tyrol
by Hugh G Rekshun
May 16th, 2008
11:35:14 PM
LOL...I was thinking the same thing. I kept waiting for him to say, "I am...in a world...of shit".
Best Episode since Season Opener
by frakthetoasters
May 16th, 2008
11:47:46 PM
My opinion, best episode since season opener. Who knew Gaeta could sing? I'm surprised he hasn't created love ballads to Gaius Baltar. There's conspiracies abound, secret meetins between the Four, politics with the Enemy and pushy Centurions. And Baltar resembles a Galactica Hugh Hefner. He'll have his own reality series tentatively titled "I'll Be In My Bunk" with several dozen Demure Disciples. Why, oh why, must I wait 2 weeks for new episodes of both Lost and BG? The writer's strike has skewered the season so far.
Lee and D still Married?
by frakthetoasters
May 16th, 2008
11:48:47 PM
At one of the meetings I saw Lee still had his wedding band. I thought he got a divorce from Dualla when he left Galactica.
After re-watching the quorum scene...
by br1947
May 16th, 2008
11:52:27 PM
Totally convinced Natalie-Six is the dying leader, not Roslin, as in my earlier post. Seeing Roslin and Six side by side, Six looks straight at Starbuck and says "she asked me to lead my people, and I accepted". Six talks about something changing, realizing that mortality is the element the Cylons are missing. The Hybrid tells Starbuck "you will lead them to their death", Starbuck, by setting the rebellion in motion, has lead the Cylons 'to their deaths'.

Throughout the episode, Natalie-Six is refered to as the Cylon leader deliberately, it's something the writers could have left out if it was not important. The previews of next ep show Natalie apparently still alive, but dying. I have a feeling they will destroy the Hub, Six will reveal the secret of the Opera House, and then die.

Damn this show is great!
They're on a great track
by WolfmanNards
May 17th, 2008
12:15:16 AM
This and last weeks episodes are the best of the season so far. They finally have momentum, and good cliffhangers. I love how BSG shakes things up. I can't tell you how uncomfortable I get when things like the 6 model getting shot and Roslin being sent into a jump happen. But thats why this show is great. They create an environment and living condition to which you are suited and comfortable with, then they pull it out from under your feet only to build it back up. That's why I'm always on edge. Because I know that I'm not allowed to get comfortable.
frakthetoasters - Alessandro Juliani (Gaeta)...
by DonnaDarko
May 17th, 2008
12:25:52 AM

Just a bit of actor trivia from Wiki:

"Alessandro Juliani is a Canadian actor and singer. He is a graduate of McGill University in Montréal, where he earned a Bachelor of Music in Vocal/Opera Performance. He is the son of producer, actor and writer John Juliani. During his time at McGill's Faculty of Music, Juliani was known for his pleasant baritone voice, accurate intonation, and strong sight-reading skills, enabling him to find frequent work substituting in professional choirs, notably at Montréal's Christ Church Cathedral."

A few of his hardcore fangirl types were asking Ron Moore on the Skiffy boards last year to have Alessandro sing in an episode. The rest of us kind of smirked at them - but they've had the last laugh:).

those who say Gaeta doesn't sing well...
by expert_40
May 17th, 2008
01:03:02 AM
... have no concept of minor scales.

Sometimes, people, songs are supposed to be a little sad, a little off, and they sound a little DISSONANT.

What Gaeta was singing was definitely in a minor key, so it's not going to sound "right."

Think back to "Once More With Feeling," at the end when Buffy starts singing, "There was no pain / No fear nor doubt / 'Til they pulled me out / Of heaven," because on the lyric heaven, Sarah bends the note to a minor key. When my mom heard that one single part, she decided the episode was stupid, because, "That girl can't sing."

I tried to explain to her the concept of minor keys, but she was lost. Anyway, when Buffy sang those lyrics in "Something to Sing About," the minor key denotes her sadness and loss.

Like with Gaeta. He was singing about the loss of his leg... and it seems, the waking of the hybrid... hmmm.
Near-perfect episode
by Razorback
May 17th, 2008
01:05:13 AM
The whiners will always find something to dislike but I loved pretty much everything... including the singing. High-art.
Gaeta is boss toaster.
by Kevin Renner
May 17th, 2008
01:07:47 AM
What was that song he was singing? Was it directly to the love of his life? He wont need two legs to swim with her. Her spa is big enough!
"Lost" MORE positive?!?!
by flickchick85
May 17th, 2008
01:08:39 AM
We've seen the future for all of the Oceanic 6, and they're all MISERABLE. At least on Galactica, their end game, Earth, is a symbol of HOPE. I mean, sure, "Lost" could be about changing their gloomy destinies, but we don't know that. At least we don't know everyone will be dead or depressed in a few years on BSG. Oh, and another great episode tonight. I'm in the minority that is LOVING this season.
Weapons Hold!!!!!!!!!
by RedScab
May 17th, 2008
01:10:43 AM
This episode is one of the best BSG's so far. They have turned up the heat once again and returned to old form. This has to be one of the best written shows in television history. If they don't win an emmy this season for best drama it will be a farce. Frack i can't wait two weeks ;(
Yes, the lack of 'splosions is bothering some
by MrD
May 17th, 2008
01:29:27 AM
I chatted with a few of them online, but many of these people were bothered by the lack of boom-booms in season 3 as well. However, just because these are some of the critics doesn't mean that all the rest should be lumped in with them. It's clear to me the show is taking a very "Wire"-like approach, treating each episode not as an independent piece of entertainment (ala 33), but as one chapter in a 20 chapter novel. This means you will get quieter, more introspective segments from time to time, without a clear story that will leave it, on its own, unsatisfying. They are also hamstrung by the fact that they have basically 2 cards left to play - Earth and the last Cylon, and can't deal with some issues (like the nature of the final five) without blowing their wad too soon. But since this is also the last season, they seem reluctant to introduce anything really new to the series, so it does at times feel like they are just stretching these storylines out needlessly. I am hoping that the character work they've done in the past few episodes will pay off in later episodes, both in terms of emotional payoff, and budget busting 'splosions (they must be saving the money for SOMETHING).
RedScab
by flickchick85
May 17th, 2008
01:30:44 AM
I'm just trying to hold out hope for a nomination, since they've never even gotten that.
That was frakking awesome
by Strabo
May 17th, 2008
01:34:37 AM
I find it funny that back around 4x04 I had to correct a naysayer for his assertion that the writers had forgotten about Hera. I said it then, and I'm sure I'll have to say it again. RDM has a proven record of running, and finishing, a show with a complex ensemble of characters and story lines. He's not going to disappoint us here. Just give him time. He has thirteen episodes left. In that time, I fully expect RDM to turn this show on its head, and us along with it.

Anyway, brilliant performance from Allesandro Juliani tonight. They had better have a track or two of him singing on the CD for this season. Are you reading this, Scorekeeper? You have Bear's number, get to work!
I hope so too
by bullet3
May 17th, 2008
01:34:51 AM
Although despite no explosions, there was an enormous amount of FX shots in tonights episode if you think about it.
Anyone waiting for 'splosions...
by Strabo
May 17th, 2008
01:46:48 AM
...will have their fill in episodes 4x09 and 4x10. I'm betting that the next episode will be used returning the basestar to the Colonial Fleet, and then the final two episodes will be used for the joint assault on the Resurrection Hub. And then we'll get to wait for nine months for Sci-Fi to pull their heads out of their asses and give us the final ten episodes. *sigh*
BSG already has an Emmy nomination
by Razorback
May 17th, 2008
02:39:41 AM
For Exodus Part 2.
RedScab said "for Best Drama"
by flickchick85
May 17th, 2008
02:58:24 AM
which is what I was referring to when I said it hadn't been nominated. As for Lost, we have seen the non-immediate future for the Oceanic Six. Some of that had to have been like, at least a year after they were rescued (transition from Happy Jack to crazy, depressed, pill-popping Jack wouldn't happen over a month. Or two.) So we know what lies ahead for them in the immediate future, and it's nothing but gloomy. Hopefully the show will skip all that and get back to them returning to the island, but it's not like that option holds any joy, either. The last time I checked, Galactica's headed towards Earth. Sure some people won't make it alive or with their sanity, but you could say the exact same thing for Lost. And yeah, I realize "finding Earth" is gonna contain some huge twist, but I do believe, wherever they end up, there will be a light at the end of the tunnel. I don't necessarily see that with Lost. Mainly because with all these deaths-for-shock-value, we've been taught not to value human life on that show, which is the exact opposite of BSG, where it's the MOST valuable thing.
I think the recap thing is from Space 1999 not ...
by Shan
May 17th, 2008
03:42:44 AM
... Robotech. I'm sure Ronald Moore even said as much as to where he got the idea.
SOMEONE STUFFA SOCK IN GAETA.
by alice 13
May 17th, 2008
04:02:10 AM
poor gaeta. boo-hoo. STFU and take some pain med and resume your fuckin post soldier. and how lame is it to advance the episode so everyone just starts sharing dreams? and cant they call cancer something else? like fuck and frak- i know- why not call it cuntcer? that way they can all be talking about the presidents cuntcer and try to keep a straight face. and why do they all hate the skinjobs so much but boomer/skinjob walks around with a gun shooting anyone she wants? please pass earth go directly to sun.
Minor keys
by ZeroCorpse
May 17th, 2008
04:41:15 AM
You're apparently not a musician. There's a difference between singing in a minor key, and singing off-key, whatever key you happen to be in.

Gaeta hit a few sour notes. He was singing a minor-key tune, but he did sing it OFF KEY a few times.

And I'm sorry, but anything Buffy sucks, so I'll side with your mom and say Gellar was singing off key.

I can forgive Gaeta, seeing as he was drugged and in pain. Anybody who can sing coherently while in his condition can be forgiven for going off-key a few times. Gellar, on the other hand, is just as poor a singer as she is an actress, model, or reason to watch anything.

alice 13 --- That must be your age.
by ZeroCorpse
May 17th, 2008
04:46:23 AM
Because that post- Wow. It should be in the dictionary next to the word "adolescent".

In most military service you're discharged if you lose a limb... Or even a significant number of digits. The dreams have been happening since last season, so it's not new or "to advance the episode" but actually to flashback to something older. And why would they call cancer something else? A gun is a gun, and a deck is a deck and a ship is a ship. A person is a person (and a human). A TOASTER is apparently a toaster. A clock is a clock. A ball is a ball. A drink is a drink. So WHY would they change the word "Cancer" to something else?

Frak exists because you can't say FUCK on SciFi channel.

Boomer's freedom does confuse me, though. It's as if everyone has forgotten she's a cylon half the time.

DonnaDarko: Comets and planets and stars oh my
by chrth
May 17th, 2008
06:54:49 AM
That's what I'm saying: Starbuck saw three markers for the path to Earth: the comet, the triple star, and the ringed planet. I figured what she meant was these were three things in the neighborhood, i.e. Halley's (or a similar recurring), Alpha Centauri, and Saturn.

But since the basestar was the comet, that means it's a sequence of steps, not a gathering of identifiers. Just like Nova -> Temple of Jupiter -> Maelstrom -> Nebula, the path to Earth is Comet/Basestar -> Triple Star -> Ringed Planet. Now, I'm guessing the Triple Star ISN'T Centauri, because it's so frakkin' close (cosmically speaking) to Earth that finding it basically means you've found Earth.

OR, I could be wrong, and the triple star/ringed planet are a gathering of identifiers, and only the comet was a marker.

They haven't consulted scripture since the Nova went ka-blooie, right? Did the book end when they got to the Temple of Jupiter?

Whoever edits this needs an Emmy fast
by Behemoth
May 17th, 2008
08:34:53 AM
That final sequence, leading up to the incredible "JUMP" line....Wow. Some of the most amazing editing work I've ever seen....
That's not Boomer
by Shan
May 17th, 2008
08:49:23 AM
Boomer's hanging out with Cavil at the moment after her storyline did yet another disappearing act.
Brilliant final sequence. I think Athena did prove her
by CrichtonAstronut
May 17th, 2008
09:27:48 AM
layalty to the fleet when she helped recue the humans from Cylon occupied New Caprica. Though I'd be surprised if there weren't some reprucussions for what she did at the end of this episode.
shit is getting complicated
by zooch
May 17th, 2008
09:52:53 AM
So the rebel cylons are giving the humans a chance to blow up the hub. So they can unbox diana. So she can reveal the identity of the final five cylons. So they can lead them to earth, even though they don't know where it is?
Once more with feeling...
by jax9999
May 17th, 2008
10:02:57 AM
expert_40 i had to explain that exact thing to a friend of mine. Basically i explained the small minor as her not having admitted it to even herself before that point. Basically she was whispering to herself. "i think i was in heaven"
Once more with feeling...
by jax9999
May 17th, 2008
10:02:58 AM
expert_40 i had to explain that exact thing to a friend of mine. Basically i explained the small minor as her not having admitted it to even herself before that point. Basically she was whispering to herself. "i think i was in heaven"
My God, that was amazing!!!!!!!!!!
by Col. Tigh-Fighter
May 17th, 2008
10:28:02 AM
What an episode!!! Another Six got whacked, loads of new hints of where its going. I loved it.

Oh and what a frakking line "I dont care if you spend your night on your knees prayin, or just on your knees!" Snap!! lol :)

don't watch the show just the trailer
by jccalhoun
May 17th, 2008
10:36:33 AM
was there anything in this episodes that you couldn't guess from the trailer? Is there any reason to watch the actual show?
Lost's 'depressing future' of Oceanic 6
by smackfu
May 17th, 2008
10:39:22 AM
Is not the 'future' of after the show is over. It is only a few months in the future. The shows stories are going to be going beyond the flash forwards that were shown.
ZeroCorpse...
by expert_40
May 17th, 2008
11:27:38 AM
... anything in Buffy sucks?

Hey Herc, can we get this retard blackballed from your column?
The trailer gave a hint about the confrontation b/t 6 & 8
by chrth
May 17th, 2008
11:27:49 AM
But that was probably the least important part of the episode ... especially with the JUMP! ending
Where the frak is it on Sci Fi Rewind??
by skydemon
May 17th, 2008
11:31:20 AM
dammit!
I Miss the Old Starbuck: In Defense of Splosions
by Pabodie
May 17th, 2008
12:05:03 PM
Kara BMX-ing around hitting targets and kicking ass was some of the most exciting TV ever. Season 1 really set a tone for her as the Achilles of BSG, and then she hurt her knee. So I do miss the splosions, and all the space opera stuff. Not because I dislike the artful aspects of the show (I love them), but because BSG did the space opera stuff so very well. "Jump!" was a great moment, though. As for the Gaeta the Singing Red Herring thing, I had hoped the lyrics contained something, but alas: http://www.bearmccreary.com/bl og/wp-content/uploads/2008/05/ theme-gaeta.jpg I don't get it. If he is the last cylon, then it's a good thing Sam blew his leg off.
Has the hybrid gone to save Six?
by happybunni
May 17th, 2008
12:06:43 PM
Or did she jump so the other cylons wouldn't know that Six died, and thus still continue the mission.
I guess that means the missing fifth is the only
by CrichtonAstronut
May 17th, 2008
12:11:14 PM
one who knows. Or the knowlege is buried deep in their progamming waiting for another trigger.
"All that's gonna do is crowd the airlock a little more."
by Oberon
May 17th, 2008
12:22:14 PM
Classic line by Tigh. Another solid episode - and now we have to wait two weeks for more.
Why she jumped
by Alientoast
May 17th, 2008
12:44:00 PM
The Basestar went online, the hybrid it was within spitting distance of Galactica, realized that it had jack-all for defense, and decided to make an emergency jump. Least that's my theory.
President 'Stands With Fist' laying out the I
by SID 8.0
May 17th, 2008
12:56:32 PM
know who you've been screwing scene, priceless. The Hybrid coming online then "Jump" another great scene. The Demetrius jumping in just before the Vipers started shooting was awesome too.
"You are the harbinger of death"...
by dr.ivo
May 17th, 2008
01:10:16 PM
The idea that destroying the Resurrection Hub will make all Cylons mortal gives a whole new interpretation to that prophecy, doesn't it?
President 'Stands With Fist'
by fiester
May 17th, 2008
01:10:45 PM
Heh. Classic.
online?
by daywalker1
May 17th, 2008
01:43:54 PM
sorry if I should already know this, but any reason the latest episode isn't streaming at their site? were they only going to put a few of them up this time?
dr ivo, see my earlier posts, I'm with ya!
by br1947
May 17th, 2008
02:19:18 PM
There's also another prophecy twist tied to it
Great Episode
by IAmMrMonkey!
May 17th, 2008
02:45:20 PM
More like this please, Mr BSG!
I know...
by flickchick85
May 17th, 2008
03:08:57 PM
Lost's flash-forwards are not after the show. But they are AT LEAST several months in the future. So as I said before, the "brightest" prospect the show can give us is skipping forward to when they go back to the island. Joy all around.
That episode kicked my ass.
by I Hope You Die
May 17th, 2008
03:52:45 PM
That's the pay-off. All that so-called "filler" leads into the most tense and satisfying situation this show has ever given us. Anybody who disagrees can suck my balls.
Cylon Nipplage alert!!!!!
by spiderman09
May 17th, 2008
03:56:53 PM
Was it just me? or was that indeed cylon nipple on the indian girl laying with Baltar? I had it on TIVO and in one shot CLEARLY looks like nipple! Confirmation?
Why all the "LOST" comments???
by CarmillaVonDoom
May 17th, 2008
04:00:35 PM
I'm not flaming anyone, just curious. Why, in *every* Battlestar Galactica talkback, do the same people constantly discuss "Lost"??? We get it, you like "Lost." That's why there is a separate part of the site for you to discuss "Lost." Looks like it's the most popular one too every week. Goody.
Good Point Carmilla
by flickchick85
May 17th, 2008
04:21:51 PM
Every week, I come here wondering the same thing about all the "Lost" talk, and this week, I totally engaged in it. That's the last mention I'll make of "Lost" this thread. Back to BSG, I agree with those who commented on the awesome editing of that final sequence last night, ending on "Jump!" That really made the episode for me.
The Best Show on Television. PERIOD
by JaPra
May 17th, 2008
04:24:18 PM
I am absolutely puzzled by the comments of how slow this season has been. Each episode I have seen has kept me on the edge of my seat. Last night's show was one of the best shows I've seen on television in my entire life.

The character development and the story arc have been absolutely flawless. I can't get enough of this show.
Pabodie - Gaeta's song could be about Deanna's unboxing.
by DonnaDarko
May 17th, 2008
04:27:15 PM

"Alone she sleeps" and "That she be spared the pain that comes from a dark" and "To one day wake". Ron Moore specifically told Bear McCreary he wanted Gaeta to sing "an opera".

That combined with the opera house arc...it's a hell of a red herring if Gaeta isn't the final Cylon.

Tigh
by flickchick85
May 17th, 2008
04:27:55 PM
Is no one on Galactica noticing Col. Tigh's new wishy-washy-ness on Cylon issues. I mean, even in the same scene, the formerly Cylon-hating, kill-'em-all Tigh, went from, "I say we forget about the Resurrection Hub" to "Let's blow the whole Godsdamn thing to smithereens." And not to mention the formerly OOC "Weapons hold!" when a baseship jumps into the fleet. I mean, WE know why he's currently so confused, but no one else does, and no one seems to notice. It looks like Adama may call him on it next week, though.
Donnadarko - right on!!
by picardsucks
May 17th, 2008
05:22:18 PM
I thought that too. But thought Gaeta's falsetto singing might also be some sort of imbedded beakon that caused the whole dreaming thing an activates some sort of sleeper program. Dunno something like that. He's definately the final cy though.
oberon
by rben
May 17th, 2008
05:30:33 PM
oberon's comments amuse probably because my sister's name is oberon. hey, are you a dude or my insane sister from Philly? As to where Galactica is going, all i know is i'm a boomer and i remember the shows of Irwin Allen. They were very much of their time and as such, massively predictable, the characters were just cyphers to move the story and the commercial advertisers. shows like lost and BG are thankfully a tonic to the shows i enjoyed as a child, as both shows are like one big arc where we watch characters change and grow as human beings, just like in real life. As such even slow moving episodes approach a grand scale when viewed in the larger context. In my kiddom, i can name the truely remarkable shows that aspired to be more than just TV on one hand, the original Outer Limits, the original twilight zone, and The Prisoner and that's about it. what puts them in the company of BG and Lost is never knowing quite what you're going to get week after week. In a way, i kind of wish that Ron Moore would tackle a science fiction anthology series, either a reboot of OL (done right this time) or his own version (call in The Infinite or something like that) and just base everything on science fiction stories. oh well, i can dream can't I?
JaPra
by samsquanch
May 17th, 2008
05:32:22 PM
I totally agree.
Donna Darko- very interesting
by samsquanch
May 17th, 2008
05:34:22 PM
Nice catch on both points. You have converted me to thinking Gaeta is #5. I was a disbeliever.
transmission/telepathy
by samsquanch
May 17th, 2008
05:39:44 PM
One question- how does a 2 year old Cylon Human Hybrid get it into her head to say 'bye mommy' and run to the 6 she's obviously obsessed with? Most of the subconscious shenanigans the skinjobs get up to can be explained by some kind of programming, deeply embedded suggestion protocols- Boomer shooting Adama, for example. Hera can't be programmed, can she? She can, however, be manipulated by some kind of machine telepathy... Maybe the Hybrid on the BaseStar was transmitting instructions to Hera while she was unconscious in her bath?

Also, Are Hybrids hard to come by? Maybe the Cylons are trying to steal Hera for that reason?

Lost vs. BSG
by reddwarfcas
May 17th, 2008
05:53:13 PM
The 2 are connected.

The island on Lost is the final ressurection hub, located on earth.

Ben is the final cylon, "John, I always have a plan". BSG "..They have a plan".

OC6 are the first cylons to land on earth.

That's what my in-head six tells me anyway.

My in-head 6 is telling me
by samsquanch
May 17th, 2008
06:00:54 PM
to eat some chips.
br1947 = righteous
by dr.ivo
May 17th, 2008
06:02:39 PM
Great minds think alike. But why do ours?
I dunno, but you must be truly fucked
by br1947
May 17th, 2008
06:10:58 PM
Because I'm batshit insane :-)
Controlling Hera
by chrth
May 17th, 2008
06:23:11 PM
The more I think about it, the more my "Boomer influencing the 8s' mindspace" theory makes sense. Hera is descended from 8, and it is possible that she also is in touch with the 8s' mindspace. Boomer would know about the Opera House dream, and could use it to precipitate action against Natalie.
Why people compare shows/movies/etc
by chrth
May 17th, 2008
06:26:19 PM
The simplest way to critique something is in a direct comparion with something else. If enough people make the same comparison (Lost vs Heroes, Lost vs BSG, Star Trek vs B5), then the strong supporters on either side start using condemnation of the other side to make their own side look good.

This is also how tribal warfare occurs.

"666"
by BurnHollywood
May 17th, 2008
06:38:51 PM
Heh. Just looked, and I guess nobody else caught this in Hera's drawing. Some weeks back, I outlined how the series is aiming in the direction of the Cylons (soon to lose resurrection abilities) merging with the humans, then becoming two groups when they reach prehistoric earth...Baltar's monotheistic group (antecedents to the Jews) and the old-school polytheistic colonials (become the Greeks). A blurred recollection of the cylon-human war is integrated into both religions. Nice to see I'm right. Good ep...I'll even forgive the melodramatic "MY BABY!" stuff.
I'm thinking the 4 might be outted soon.
by I Hope You Die
May 17th, 2008
06:54:32 PM
Originally I'd assumed they'd stay in hiding most of the season. But the way things are going I wouldn't be surprised if they just had Diana out them as soon as she's unboxed and then the 4 of them escape with the rebel Cylons. It's seems like they're willing to mix things up A LOT. Maybe we'll see Tigh commanding a baseship against Adama.
You people who say Gaeta is the fifth Cylon:
by Ben_Gazzara
May 17th, 2008
06:57:48 PM
How do you explain D'anna (that's the proper spelling of that 3's name) seeing the fifth Cylon and freaking out over its identity. "Forgive me. I had no idea." Would she really have done that if she saw Felix Gaeta?
Ben
by pigshit
May 17th, 2008
07:12:21 PM
We don't know which of the final five D'anna said 'forgive me' to. We just know it was one of them. It could've been Tigh cos' the Cylons tore his eyeball out. Also, lets not forget the first thing she did after seeing them was tell Baltar he was right
Where is it on SCI FI REWIND?
by Retlaw Kciuq
May 17th, 2008
07:29:54 PM
I want to watch it. I work on Friday nights. Why isn't it online yet? GODS!!!!!
WTF? Ditto Retlaw. Where the hell is it?
by Le Vicious Fishus
May 17th, 2008
07:39:20 PM
I hope this isn't a sign of bad things to come for us non-TV watchers...
Nice post, br1947
by NoHubris
May 17th, 2008
07:48:41 PM
Cool insights. The only area where the jury might still be out IMHO is the dying leader part. According to the Hand of God (Season 1), the dying leader who leads their people to Earth is supposed to have a "wasting disease" (Book of Pythia). For Natalie to be the dying leader explained in Pythia, somehow she'll have to fit that description.

Anyhow, your explanation of the Hybrid's Starbuck prophecy is intriguing and makes perfect sense.

Still, destroying the resurrection hub impacts the skinjobs, but that doesn't mean the centurions will change course too.

Ben_Gazzara - D'Anna has reasons to apologize to Gaeta.
by DonnaDarko
May 17th, 2008
08:22:18 PM

Most fans 'assume' that D'Anna was speaking to Tigh or Anders. It was Doral who tortured Tigh though, and D'Anna's interaction with Anders was very brief on Caprica.

She's known Gaeta since posed as a journalist - she humiliated him on camera as well. Then as one of the nastier New Caprica Cylons on Colonial One, she was in the same room with him every day, terrorizing his boss.

"Forgive me. I had no idea." is so general; and lmost nothing this season has been as predictable as we thought going in. Wouldn't Tigh and Anders be 'obvious'?

One thing that is obvious though - every one of the Galactica Cylons worked for the New Caprica resistance. So did Gaeta. The writers have also made it a point to show that Gaeta is very knowledgable in astronomy.

Now watch it be Dualla or Admiral Cain...

Good point NoHubris
by br1947
May 17th, 2008
08:26:33 PM
I went back and checked exactly what the hybrid said to Kara, here it is: "Thus will it come to pass. A dying leader will know the truth of the Opera House. The missing Three will give you the Five who come from the home of the Thirteenth. You are the harbinger of death, Kara Thrace. You will lead them all to their end. End of Line."

There are TWO prophecies of 'a dying leader', the one from the Hybrid about the Opera House, and the one from the book of Pythia. Maybe it is Roslin in both, but I think the continual emphasis on calling Natalie the "leader" throughout the episode is hinting at something.
NatalieSix says "The Final Five Have Been To Earth..."
by chromedome
May 17th, 2008
08:29:10 PM
...and Tigh and Tory look at each other with an unspoken "we HAVE???" well done.
or...
by br1947
May 17th, 2008
08:29:36 PM
the writers could have slipped up early on (it was season 1 after all). Doubtful, but possible.
BurnHollywood
by chromedome
May 17th, 2008
08:33:10 PM
YES, I noticed the 666 as well! And the InHeadSix wore a lot of red, and CLAIMS to be an Angel of God. hmmmmm

I did not notice that Hera's drawings included a red-dressed Six--good catch to whoever pointed that out.

The Final Five Have Been To Earth
by NoHubris
May 17th, 2008
08:39:01 PM
That is by far one of the coolest BSG mysteries yet. And it also shows when it comes to who and what they really are, the Final Four have no idea at all and its going to be fun to see them as they find out.
And a quick Re-Purveying of the Hybrid Theory:
by chromedome
May 17th, 2008
08:39:19 PM
My theory has been that D'Anna apologized to the Hybrid in the Temple vision.

She, just prior to entering, expressed concern to Baltar that she would go crazy "just like the Hybrid", has shown open disdain for the Hybrid, and when the Hybrid objected to jumping away from the virus-infected basestar, D'Anna snarled "SHE doesn't get a vote!"

And the Hybrid seems not only to have a lot of "inside" knowledge, but is turning out to have quite an effect on things...

Let's plug her in and conversate...
by chromedome
May 17th, 2008
08:41:28 PM
"JUMP!"

....oh, frak me....

Best moment thus far in Season 4

br1947--excellent and interesting theory
by chromedome
May 17th, 2008
08:45:44 PM
"a" dying leader will know the truth of the opera house.

NatalieSix may have just become a dying leader. Roslyn's "let's talk to the Hybrid and find out whats doin with all these here opera house visions" plan kinda fell apart, so maybe she is not the one to know.

Or maybe the Hybrid just wants a quiet place to talk ;~)

Tricksey Hybridses...

Admiral Cain or Tigh's wife for the final Cylon!
by samsquanch
May 17th, 2008
08:52:01 PM
Or Gaeta. Fuck, I don't know. You're killing me!
br1947
by NoHubris
May 17th, 2008
09:28:35 PM
Oh, yeah. Forgot about the Opera House dying leader. It looks like your theory has real traction.

Hmmmmm.

Gaeta
by Reprobus
May 17th, 2008
10:21:36 PM
I'm clinging to the idea of Gaeta being the 12th for the silliest of reasons. I decided he was a cylon back in early S1 based on a single reaction shot of him to something that was being discussed. It was pretty subtle, he just gave an impression of knowing something more. I'll have to go back and watch the MS, I think it was in there. Anyways, I kinda gave up on the idea during S2 and 3, but it's stoked again! And the pleasure of a baseless hunch proving accurate is all I would get if Gaeta were revealed as #12. Wouldn't resonate with me as well as I've come to expect from this series (thanks to the 'forgive me' set-up). Also, did I misread the scene with Tigh getting straddled and beaten by 6. I figured she knew he was a cylon as soon as she met him. The raider recoognized Anders. That didn't seem to be the case tonight as the Cylons never discussed it or anything, did they?
err, also gonna need a quick tutorial on pagebreak...
by Reprobus
May 17th, 2008
10:22:18 PM
that was actually quite decent!
by Maniaq
May 17th, 2008
10:37:27 PM
I been doing a lot of forgiving of this show for a long time and it was nice to be entertained by a good, strong ep for a change.

Nice one!

paragraphs...
by chromedome
May 17th, 2008
10:41:34 PM
use a < p > without the spaces

it slices, it dices, just that easy :~)

The skin jobs do not recognize the Four
by chromedome
May 17th, 2008
10:45:10 PM
..it would seem to be because it was "programmed" out of them, as they had been programmed to not even Think about the Final Five.

Why/How the Raiders sensed Anders is still a mystery--his own red-eye came AFTER the Raider hesitated to shoot him--was it an IFF or did Anders pass along some information or a command? He did not even (consciously) understand what happened himself....

six
by damnkenyans
May 17th, 2008
11:58:46 PM
Six resurrected? (they may be close enought to the hub for her to download) >jump< = oh frak Doc Cottle is still my pic as the final cylon. Gaeta was my second followed by Dualla. Why does the quorum CONSTANTLY turn to look at Lee for his input. Is he considered that much "in the know"? BSG back to form
Ignore this...
by flickchick85
May 18th, 2008
12:00:54 AM

Just

testing

Thanks chromedome
by flickchick85
May 18th, 2008
12:02:28 AM
I'm not the one that asked, but I was also totally clueless on that.
It is not all of a sudden...
by chromedome
May 18th, 2008
12:29:15 AM
the Hybrid was crucial in the Temple of Jupiter arc, and in Razor, too.
flickchick85
by chromedome
May 18th, 2008
12:30:07 AM
you're

welcome!

:-)

Uhhhh too much already!
by AbsoluteTruth
May 18th, 2008
12:39:50 AM
Ok, so I semi-dug Gaeta's singing the first time I heard it. But jesus come on after the 5th time I felt like I lost my own god damn leg. Really annoyed me, especially how they ended the show with it.
The "leader" in both prophecies is the one from that side
by Red Giant
May 18th, 2008
01:05:22 AM
Natalie in the "truth of the Opera house" one, and Roslin in the Pythia one. Who says both prophecies have to have the same "leader" for them?
Next episode is going to be fantastic as well. More boom-boom.
by happybunni
May 18th, 2008
01:25:13 AM
Next episode should pretty much start with the attack on the resurrection hub. Been thinking about it all a bit more. The hybrid jumped to the resurrection hub... The base star already has the raiders and everything on it, it's good to go for an attack. If the Hybrid didn't jump, the attack might have been stopped as the other cylons wouldn't be for it after knowing that their six was murdered. Hybrid had to make the jump so the attack goes through.
Theory
by Alientoast
May 18th, 2008
01:50:44 AM
The Hybrid says the 5 come from the home of the 13th. Who's to say the home of the 13th is Earth in reality? DUN DUN DUN!!! That could make for an interesting twist.
Maybe we don't have to wait 2 weeks.
by Shan
May 18th, 2008
01:58:25 AM
I understand next week in the US is the Memorial Day Weekend but there's been talk that the next episode will be shown next week (27th May Tuesday) in the UK on Sky TV. Can anyone confirm or deny this? Of course if it is shown the the UK next week, who knows where it might end up in the meantime?
Nice how everyone forgot that ...
by Shan
May 18th, 2008
02:01:08 AM
... in effect the hybrid is the entire ship, not just who's in the tub - and that the whole ship, including the Jump drive is an extension of the hybrid. Hence in the same way we'd run away in danger with our legs, the hybrid used its Jump drive to run just that bit further.
i'm beginning to think
by Smoke Monster Loves Kate
May 18th, 2008
02:59:23 AM
zarek looks increasingly likely to be the final cylon. they've said none of the main crew we know (like Helo) or from that picture on the sci-fi site (the last supper) are going to be the last one. was zarek in it? they seem to be keeping him in the story with no apparent purpose so far...
but
by Smoke Monster Loves Kate
May 18th, 2008
03:05:35 AM
the Gaeta theory has good merit. with his random rise to prominence this episode and Anders' mysterious obsession with his singing (i know he feels guilty about shooting him, but that's still weird).
Sky TV Sky One UK BSG Tuesday 9.00pm
by Shan
May 18th, 2008
05:48:33 AM
This week's episode is going to be shown in the UK on the 20th at 9pm on Sky One. We have to watch this space to see if they get the next episode on the 27th, thereby putting them ahead of the US.
Still not on Sci Fi Rewind
by Gozu
May 18th, 2008
10:15:36 AM
This is driving me a bit out of my gourd.
Thanks Chromedome
by Reprobus
May 18th, 2008
10:50:46 AM
for the < p > and the clarification on the cylons. I'll have to rewatch the scene with 6 and Tigh in that context, it had totally seemed to me that she was trying to help ground him in his identity crisis once the cameras were off.
It was good, yes?
by Mr. Nice Gaius
May 18th, 2008
10:52:48 AM
No Sci-Fi Rewind makes MNG an irritable boy. I'll have to catch the Sunday night replay.
Let's say Natalie-Six is the dying leader.
by I Hope You Die
May 18th, 2008
11:49:10 AM
Further, let's say the Five are going to be outted mid-season, rather than remain a mystery to the end. If they're outted, they'll probably escape with the rebel Cylons, and head for Earth. Before now it's been noted that the four known members of the Final Five are conveniently placed. You have Tigh in the command room, Tory in government office, Anders among the rebels and now with the fighter pilots, and Tyrol in engineering. This all seems like perfect placement for insurrection but what if it's actually symmetry? There'll be two fleets trying to complete the prophecy. One led by Adama/Roslin, the other led by Tigh/Tory. Anders will oppose Starbuck. Tyrol will, uh, be the Cylon chief petty officer. The hybrid is the Fifth Cylon and together they'll lead the rebel Cylons to find Earth and fulfill the prophecies. Maybe all of Baltar's monotheists will join the Cylons too.
happybunni
by secretcylon
May 18th, 2008
11:56:47 AM
attack on resurrection hub: nope. More holy sh** and wtf though...
Maybe the Fundamentally Different Nature of the Four
by chromedome
May 18th, 2008
12:58:59 PM
works such that they (the final cylons) can "install themselves" or "download" into any human body they choose. So they choose key people who can influence events. Why not choose Adama and Roslyn? Maybe to avoid simply just directing every event absolutely. Guide/influence rather than Command.

We have already seen InHeads play a n "influential role" and InHeadSix has only "manifested" into the physical realm a couple of times, to more effectively influence events...

I like how the NatSix & Co Cylons think
by chromedome
May 18th, 2008
02:06:08 PM
that the Final Five are in the fleet, watching, judging them, and they cannot understand why the Five would not reach out, welcome, and embrace them. They just Assume the Final Five are going to be glad to be found and it will be a big happy reunion. When this does not happen, they assume it must be due to some flaw in themselves.

Since they don't recognize the Five, understand their nature at all, and even the Four themselves don't understand their own nature, what their own motivations are/should be, this sets up a great potential for surprises and misinformed choices all around.

We don't NEED no frakkin splosions!

Remember my theory last year when we met the FF
by chrth
May 18th, 2008
02:18:48 PM
Maybe instead of resurrecting, the Final Five reincarnate. And they started on Earth lo those many years ago, and they're the ones who wrote the book of Pythia, and the attempts to build the skinjob was done by one who was of the Final Five Cylons who was trying to duplicate their own existence (shh, don't mention the Caprica show)
chr